County mapping and platting assistant manager Tim McLean, whose office laid out the boundary line, said a survey could change the line only about 5 to 10 feet at the most, if at all.
Dowling is questioning the county's work because it only used Centreville's legal description of its boundaries and aerial photographs to determine the line's location. That's not enough, he claims: "Show me the survey."
Dowling is asking the court to appoint a commission of three surveyors to resurvey a line that he claims hasn't been surveyed since 1807. He could not say why Abusaid or Centreville did not have the property surveyed when Crown Mart was developed in 2008.
http://www.bnd.com/2011/10/04/1886044/centreville-takes-its-border-dispute.html#ixzz1agF3KGkI
3 surveyors....4 opinions?
GIS? or just total neglect or don't give a crapola.
Last survey 1807?
While admittedly not knowing the development regulations in that area, I am amazed a commercial development could be approved and subsequently built without a survey being performed and submitted as a part of the development process. That would never fly here (and rightfully so).
Survey!? Don't need no stankin' survey! The GIS says the line is right there.
"A survey wouldn't move the line 5 or 10 feet." I am amazed at the number of "surveyors" in the world.
Some poor surveyor from 204 years ago is going to get reamed in Court. 😐
> Some poor surveyor from 204 years ago is going to get reamed in Court. 😐
Why would he?
Can't we presume that the surveyor from 204 years ago performed his duty at or above that of a minimally competent surveyor using the tools and methods of his time?
On the face of it, his survey would not only be the only survey for the line, it would also be the correct survey to use until the line is retraced by a minimally competent surveyor of the present day.
If it's anything like it is here, you can survey a legal description without determining the governmental jurisdiction boundary. Is it always up to the landowner to figure that out?
I know one that has been in dispute longer than I've been alive but I've done any number of surveys across it. The landowners couldn't care less, it isn't their problem.
Didn't even read your link. "GIS?", was enough for me. I'm sick of 'GIS'. It has been the ruin of the boundary surveying profession. And, it would have been so whether, or not, land surveyors had been primarily involved in it's conception, which we all know they were not. And, as to who's fault that was? Well, that point is moot, anymore. GIS is just another form of government involvement in an area governments should not even be involved with. Sure, governments knowing where their fire hydrants and SSMHs, etc, are located is one thing. Presenting their crap as representing boundary lines is another.
Enough said, for me.
GIS
Colleagues-
Consider inculcating the Great Unwashed with GIS meaning ................
GIS = Get It Surveyed!
YOS
DGG
GIS
GIS = Garbage In System
Boundary lines are one matter, municipal lines are quite another. Corporate municipal lines do not have to follow property lines. They are often extremely confusing. The problem here is probably going to be interpreting the municipal boundary, not property boundary.
The article interchanges "boundary", "property", and municipal lines as if they are one. They are probably not one in the same.
Maybe no one HAS looked at the municipal boundary since the 1800's or tried to interpret where it is.
Newton, Ed & Target
Newton, I know but time after time we see the original surveyor to be in error in these news items because they could not measure like today's surveyors. Convenient scapegoat?
I thought that my emoticom by board protocol was a flag that I was being sarcastic.
Ed, You should really read these surveyor news items. It is how the public percieves the surveying profession. At least in this case , a lack of a survey has caused the problem and maybe some quasi-governemnt- county administrator has caused the dispute.
Target, You may be correct. Municipal boundaries can be nebulous because of administrative processes such as ordinances, annexations etc.
But there is no excuse for not getting a boundary survey performed especially when it comes to disbursing grant and tax monies.
SURVEY? SURVEY, SURVEY !!!!
SURVEY? SURVEY, SURVEY !!!!
I ain’t paying for some price gouging surveyor to show ME the boundary lines, the “Realtor” done showed me where they was.
Have a great weekend!:-)
Common Sense died years ago.
If those involved in the development process had employed a fine local surveyor, this entire mess could have been avoided. Said surveyor could have then provided valid information to the county so as to correct (or not) the GIS data used for taxing purposes. Far simpler than trying to do so once the alleged problem has been drug through the newspapers and TV and radio reports.
SURVEY? SURVEY, SURVEY !!!!
I can't count how many times a real estate agent misrepresented a boundary. Usually to make the lot look larger. Set the corners, here comes the owner...But the my agent said it was here, pointing at some obscure point in the dirt. My typical answer is well they don't know anything about surveying, and a salesman always tries to make there product look better. I'm not sure who are worse them or architects. Architects and construction are a whole different mess. I'm sure most have had issues with both.