I'm working on my first big project in Oklahoma and so far I have reviewed 48 corner records, about 3/4 of the way done. On the south end of the project, the records are pretty new and even have NAD83 coordinates on a lot of them. On the north end, the records are older, sketches are hand drawn and very few have coordinates. My question is, if you find the monument 2 of the 3 witness ties, does that require a new record to be filed?
I will probably filed new records for most of the monuments on the north just to paint some coordinates on them as a thanks to the surveyor who filed before me and a professional courtesy to the surveyor who follows me.
I'm working on my first big project in Oklahoma and so far I have reviewed 48 corner records, about 3/4 of the way done. On the south end of the project, the records are pretty new and even have NAD83 coordinates on a lot of them. On the north end, the records are older, sketches are hand drawn and very few have coordinates. My question is, if you find the monument 2 of the 3 witness ties, does that require a new record to be filed?
I will probably filed new records for most of the monuments on the north just to paint some coordinates on them as a thanks to the surveyor who filed before me and a professional courtesy to the surveyor who follows me.
I can't answer your question. Coordinates are helpful, but not as important as the "statement of method used to determine corner location (lost corners only)". If you find a magnail in a road, it is still a lost corner until you somehow establish that the magnail is the corner, or best evidence of the original location.?ÿ
Letter of the law is that if things are not exactly as the last OCCR has them, you file a new one. Missing reference? File.
In practice probably 1/10 of the CCRs that should be filed are actually filed.?ÿ?ÿ
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I can't answer your question. Coordinates are helpful, but not as important as the "statement of method used to determine corner location (lost corners only)". If you find a magnail in a road, it is still a lost corner until you somehow establish that the magnail is the corner, or best evidence of the original location.?ÿ
In Oregon we do things a little different - we work in the rain, for example. Oklahoma has it's little ways, also.
In OK, you find a mag nail in the intersection of section line roads. No references, no records other than the original GLO. I suppose you could go to proportioning off the mag nails a mile in all directions, but mostly you accept that the roads themselves are monuments, and the mag nail somebody else set by eyeballing the centerline/centerline?ÿ of 2 red dirt roads is eyeballed just as good as you could do it. Tie it, set references and get moving. Miles to go before you sleep.
The land goes for maybe $100 an acre - if it has a well - and you need several acres per cow.?ÿ Nobody wants to haggle over a foot or two. The best you can do is leave a good record for the next guy.?ÿ?ÿ
FWIW it's a pipeline right-of-way survey. I am reviewing the Oklahoma standards to make sure we're doing it correctly.
When my family bought property in the late 60s it was 2 to 8 hundred an acre in our area. When Mom sold out in the 90s it was closer to 100k an acre.
I watched one jackleg remove and toss the quarter corner stone. The dividing line of our 2 tracts moved 20 feet. He didnt care. When he tried moving our back line to match his magic moving quarter line it ended poorly for him.
There are times you cannot apply your favorite formula to create a better corner (nearly all times actually) but there is never a reason not to attempt to develop the pedigree of a corner.
FWIW it's a pipeline right-of-way survey. I am reviewing the Oklahoma standards to make sure we're doing it correctly.
The only thing that isn't completely intuitive is that the references have to be within 5 chains of the corner. In other words, adjacent section corners don't count as one of the 3 required references. But a 60d spike in a leaned over and half rotten fence post does count, as long as it is within 5 chains.?ÿ ?ÿ?ÿ
I can't answer your question. Coordinates are helpful, but not as important as the "statement of method used to determine corner location (lost corners only)". If you find a magnail in a road, it is still a lost corner until you somehow establish that the magnail is the corner, or best evidence of the original location.?ÿ
In Oregon we do things a little different - we work in the rain, for example. Oklahoma has it's little ways, also.
In OK, you find a mag nail in the intersection of section line roads. No references, no records other than the original GLO. I suppose you could go to proportioning off the mag nails a mile in all directions, but mostly you accept that the roads themselves are monuments, and the mag nail somebody else set by eyeballing the centerline/centerline?ÿ of 2 red dirt roads is eyeballed just as good as you could do it. Tie it, set references and get moving. Miles to go before you sleep.
The land goes for maybe $100 an acre - if it has a well - and you need several acres per cow.?ÿ Nobody wants to haggle over a foot or two. The best you can do is leave a good record for the next guy.?ÿ?ÿ
Eyeballing the center lines only works if you can tie the roads back to the section line.?ÿ When a 1940 aerial photo shows the road in a different place, the eyeballed center line looses. When the eyeballed center line position means a fence corner that has barbed wire below the dust bowl soil and dates 40 years older than the road, it looses. When the 1888 stone is dug out of the road, the eyeballed position?ÿ looses.
Sometimes the center line is the way to go, but not just because its there, and when the corner record doesn't even say it was put in by eyeballing the center line its even more useless. It is harder to do it right, but landowners don't need to pay a surveyor to eyeball a center line for them. Most rural Oklahomans I have met can do that by themselves.?ÿ
We can't let the price of land dictate the value of our services. The price of land may be low now, but when somebody realizes that there is oil under that road, and oil is $200/barrel, that land will be worth quite a bit more. You may run into trouble before that too, when the neighbors get into a blood feud and are willing to spend every last cent proving they own a worthless 3' strip of land. If our clients cant afford a good boundary survey, we are doing nobody a favor in the long run by doing a bad one.?ÿ
During my time in OK I put a lot more time and effort into recoveries than anyone else I was working with, and endured a lot of resistance from coworkers and supervisors.?ÿ ?ÿI had a number of successes, too. Found quite a number of monuments after others had quit. So don't be lecturing me about searching for monuments.
But most of these OK backroads are just scraped?ÿ native soil. Maybe with an inch of asphalt on them to keep the dust down. Not built up at all. The original GLOs were nothing more than pits and mounds. Supposing you could get a budget for a backhoe what kind of evidence of a pit and mound are you thinking to find in a dirt road intersection? The few that were stone were torn out by the first pass of the grader. Brother, they're gone.?ÿ?ÿ
You can tilt at windmills if you like. But if you try it in OK you are going to be one hungry surveyor. I don't like that reality, it bites. But it is what it is.
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There is a lot of other options between finding the original and eyeballing a center line.
