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(@ridge)
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Reading some deeds with calls to the 1/16th line. OK, I understand what is meant. Is there a more proper term like quarter-quarter section line. Or would it be more proper to get real wordy and call for the say the northerly line of the say the SW quarter of the NW quarter.

Isn't a 1/4th line also a 1/16th line and so forth inside the section?

So what do we have? Section lines, quarter section lines (1/4th line), quarter-quarter section lines (1/16th line), quarter-quarter-quarter section lines (1/64th line)............

If you are headed on a bearing how do you know which line you stop at?

Where do we lose it?

 
Posted : 06/03/2013 8:57 pm
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How about just calling the lines,,,,,E-W center line of sec. 10.......E-W center line of the NE1/4, sec. 10.....E-W center line of the NE1/4 NE 1/4 sec. 10.

Keith

 
Posted : 06/03/2013 9:28 pm
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My preference is:
quarter section line
quarter-quarter section line
quarter-quarter-quarter section line
quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter section line
quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter section line
quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter section line
quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter section line
quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter section line
quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter section line
quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter-quarter section line(encloses 6.647 square feet M/L)

 
Posted : 07/03/2013 5:45 am
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I don't know the precise wording of your deeds, but "thence west to a 1/16th line", I don't think would be adequate if no other language was said. (maybe in the context of the description, the first 1/16th line you arrive at would work especially if using that provide closure and reasonably matched the area) Giving a distance would clarify which 1/16th line, (If you know where you're coming from). Or being more specific as to which 1/16th line would be minimally adequate as well.

 
Posted : 07/03/2013 6:29 am
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lol

 
Posted : 07/03/2013 7:04 am
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the north line of the SW1/4NW1/4

 
Posted : 07/03/2013 7:05 am
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> the north line of the SW1/4NW1/4

Would it be better to say "...of the SW1/4 of the NW1/4"?

Could the N line of the SW1/4SE1/4 be misconstrued to mean "and the" SE 1/4. ie: it's a nice abbreviation for the assessor's office, but should it be spelled out more on a description?

 
Posted : 07/03/2013 7:14 am
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> Reading some deeds with calls to the 1/16th line. OK, I understand what is meant. Is there a more proper term like quarter-quarter section line. Or would it be more proper to get real wordy and call for the say the northerly line of the say the SW quarter of the NW quarter.

I've seen wording for either method. The proper way is to continue the intent of the original parties, don't introduce ambiguity, and prudently mark and record your findings for others to follow.

> Isn't a 1/4th line also a 1/16th line and so forth inside the section?

I prefer to stick to the Major Line such as if it is a common section line I will refer to it as such. If it is a quarter section line on the interior of the section, I will refer to it as such. Broken down so-on, and so-on.

> So what do we have? Section lines, quarter section lines (1/4th line), quarter-quarter section lines (1/16th line), quarter-quarter-quarter section lines (1/64th line)............

Sure we do.
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> If you are headed on a bearing how do you know which line you stop at?

At the boundary of my clients property. If it requires me to perform a chain of title to the original patent to figure that out, then so be it. If ambiguity is in the deed causing confusion to this, then I would hope that I could rely on extrinsic evidence to retrace the intended boundary. This may mean a chain of title for all of the adjoiners and or testimony from the old timers.

> Where do we lose it?

I don't think it's in our job description to lose it. Lose money sure. we have all probably left money on the table on some of these, and on some you get an understanding client. Best to have clauses, or understandings in our contract that allow addendum's for major chain of title research.

Cheers. Good question by the way. Those kind of ?'s tends to have many muti-faceted answers. One reason I enjoy working in the PLSS.

 
Posted : 07/03/2013 7:22 am
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The lines between quarter corners are the "meridional mid-section line" and the "latitudinal mid-section line."

I prefer calls to other lines in the form of "...to a point on the west line of the southwest quarter of the northeast quarter of said Section ..." or some thing similar. A call to a "1/16th line" or a "1/64th line" is too vague.

 
Posted : 07/03/2013 7:25 am
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Depends on how the deed reads, I will copy it and usually the 40's are listed as SW1/4NW1/4 (around here anyway).

Probably the patent described it as the southwest quarter of the northwest quarter and if it followed through that way I would use that.

 
Posted : 07/03/2013 7:34 am
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What makes me nuts is the calls to points being way too complicated. For example "The southwest corner of the southwest quarter of the southeast quarter", Why not just say the south quarter corner of section x?

 
Posted : 07/03/2013 7:37 am
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> What makes me nuts is the calls to points being way too complicated. For example "The southwest corner of the southwest quarter of the southeast quarter", Why not just say the south quarter corner of section x?

Ditto

 
Posted : 07/03/2013 7:49 am
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What is a mid section line and where did this come from?

As far as I have ever been able to determine there are the, Meridional (North-South) Center Line and the Latitudinal (East-West) Center Lines of a section, hence the same designation when referring to the Center (1/16, 1/64, 1/256, 1/1024) Lines of the Quarters, Quarter-Quarters, etc.

 
Posted : 07/03/2013 10:59 am
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> What makes me nuts is the calls to points being way too complicated. For example "The southwest corner of the southwest quarter of the southeast quarter", Why not just say the south quarter corner of section x?

My best guess is that they do it that way when their property is in the sw1/4 of the se1/4, and they are basing it on some likewise terminology.

But I agree with you. You have to (or almost have to) draw it out just to figure out what corner they are coming from. KISS.

 
Posted : 07/03/2013 11:17 am
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Good question Leonard... I thought that I picked it up from BLM or USFS folks, but can't say for sure. I think the term "mid-section" line is common usage up here. I do believe that you are correct however, so I will have to change my ways.

 
Posted : 07/03/2013 3:15 pm
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This is a link to a BLM site regarding legal descriptions involving aliquot parts.

http://www.blm.gov/or/landrecords/legaldescrip.php

Jerry

 
Posted : 07/03/2013 4:09 pm