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California Fencing Bill 1404

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DEREK G. GRAHAM OLS OLIP
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Seems like a good idea:

http://realtytimes.com/consumeradvice/homeownersadvice1/item/26485-20131029-who-should-pay-for-a-boundary-fence

David K-

I don't know if part of the Bill includes the cost of surveying the line first.

In Ontario we have the Line Fences Act:

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90l17_e.htm

Cheers,

Derek


 
Posted : October 29, 2013 7:41 am
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The last case they could find was 1964, the law was written in 1872 and they think they need a new law? Why?

Why do I think that after the new law goes into effect things will get worse, not better. Just saying.:-(


 
Posted : October 29, 2013 8:04 am
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> The last case they could find was 1964, the law was written in 1872 and they think they need a new law? Why?
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Well, the lawyers just can't have landowners resolving fence disputes without seeking court involvement for another 49 years can they??


 
Posted : October 29, 2013 10:04 am
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The bill is offensive in that it forces a person who does not want a fence at all to demonstrate by a preponderance of the evidence that he/she won't benefit. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole law is thrown out by a court.


 
Posted : October 29, 2013 11:21 am
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Aston,

I think your misinterpreting the new law. It sounds like the under the old law the property owner could send the adjoining land owners a bill for their share of the fence and by statute they were required to pay, no matter what. As a note, Oregon law is this way. The new law at least gives you a way out of paying.

John


 
Posted : October 29, 2013 11:47 am

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That Law Assumed Farmed Areas Benefited From Fences...

...And the cost of farm fences was not excessive.

Today fences are built for other reasons: security, privacy, confining vicious children and animals.

Considering the above:

Why should I share the cost of protecting my neighbor's obscene amount of goods?

Why should I pay to block my view of the neighbor's comely wife when she sunbathes or swims "au naturale"?

Why should I pay to confine the neighbor's pit bull when I would sooner "shoot the bitch"?

Having a secure fence may lower the neighbor's insurance premium, am I entitled to part of his savings?

If I pay a share of the fence required by law around his pool, do I get to swim in it?

This is why our country is going broke, too many people want others to pay for the wants.

Paul in PA


 
Posted : October 29, 2013 12:05 pm
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Just because the new version of the law isn't as bad as the old version doesn't mean it's good.

Vermont has a similar law, requiring fences, but the Vermont Supreme Court ruled it is unconstitutional with respect to non-agricultural properties.


 
Posted : October 29, 2013 12:53 pm
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That Law Assumed Farmed Areas Benefited From Fences...

I believe, in WA state, the fence law requires you to share the value of a fence, and its maintenance, if its presence creates an enclosure for you.

This is true, even if the fence predates your use of it as part of your enclosure.


 
Posted : October 30, 2013 8:29 pm