Got an interesting request for a possible Boundary Line Adjustment.?ÿ
The issue is some occupation between a landowner and a business that owns some farm ground. For some time the landowner has occupied west of his lots which are bounded on the west by a section line. The business owns all the lands along the section south of a right of way and west of the section line which bounds the lots. The landowner owns to the south right of way on the east side of the section line and the occupation fence line wanders off to the west as it heads north from the 1/4 corner which is a large cap set in the 30's with at the original stone more or less in the middle of the string of lots. Basic stuff with one twist. The ranch east of the lots owns quite a bit of land and have been in contention with the business for some time. Even to the point of some court cases. I have worked for both sides and surveyed all the lines in the area and "corrected" some information that was flying around cyberspace about ownership,,,,,,,,,,,,so I thought. Those were mineral surveys that I did in the mid 2000's. They should have made everything almost perfect.?ÿ
The innocent landowner stops by and asks me what it would take to do a BLA between him and the business. So, we go on the GIS and find that the GIS has the ranch surrounding him and the rest of the lots on the west, north and east sides. He is thinking much of his occupied land is in the section to the west but it's only a sliver. He also now thinks the ranch owns around him, which it doesn't, despite what the GIS is showing. That is very disconcerting since I went through a mess some years ago when I cleaned up much of the incorrect data in the GIS and now for some reason it's back. Despite my Record of Surveys, corner records, Lat, Long information and such I have given the county.
So trying to give the man an estimate is almost impossible.?ÿ
Of course for the county to sign off they need the landowners to agree and they show the wrong ones, so first order of the survey will be to correct all the bad cyber data.?ÿ
How much that will cost in time is really up in the air.?ÿ
He also now thinks the ranch owns around him, which it doesn't, despite what the GIS is showing.
Any maps or, GIS "maps" you have to share may help prompt responses. ?????ÿ
@flga-2-2?ÿ
Everyone has them, that's what's discouraging, the results of the mineral surveys are all filed in the courthouse, the Record of surveys, the Right of Way surveys are all sitting there to look at.?ÿ
What does the county GIS have to do with anything here? It is misleading everyone, but the county and the landowners have to sign off on an actual survey. I don't know how it works where you are, but in much of the country the local GIS only maps chain of title documents, so a "boundary line adjustment" would be mapped, but a record of survey would not.?ÿ
@aliquot?ÿ
It doesn't have much to do with it (ultimately). But first I'm going to have to meet with them, get them to fix it so I'm not dealing with the wrong landowners, their "official" document will show that the landowner would need to do a BLA with the ranch not the business. As I look at the GIS they moved the section line west more where I gave it to them?ÿ (not all the way), but they didn't correct the subdivision lots so they left a gap. Then they filled the gap in with a third party. The line they have now shows all the houses across the property line. It's more of a mess than it was before.
(tongue in cheek)
Don't you realize the computer knows all? It can't be wrong.
"We don't need no fricken survey!"
Unless you are just trying to be helpful (which is great) I wouldn't waste my time trying to fix the GIS. The GIS may be the "official" GIS but there is nothing official about the boundaries shown. Won't they update the GIS based in the boundary line adjustment??ÿ
@aliquot?ÿ
If the client wants me to I will get the BLA through. However, this is really frustrating. I've done extensive surveying for minerals in this area, which was in conjunction with among other things; a rezoning, a mining permit process (massive amounts of documents related to that including State hearings), a BLA, a number of Record of Surveys. I've also done some private filed surveys showing the three right of ways, three extensive DOT surveys, the list seems endless.
I gave the county everything to fix the crude property lines in this very location and now they are more messed up than when they showed the houses 150' over the property line. That caused permitting issues and the houses were never over the line.?ÿ
Not to mention a huge court case that caused all types of hard feelings.?ÿ
You just might think in this area they would cross their T's and dot their I's.?ÿ
Do you have any screen shots of the GIS from the 2000s after you did the work when everything looked ??right??
I do not, I do however have older GIS that just might show it correctly. I'll have to check that out if this goes forward.?ÿ
