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(@andy-nold)
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We've got some +/-60 acre sites that we are cutting out for processing facilities and the client is requesting 3 benchmarks per site for the contractor. I am looking for recommendations for the benchmarks that don't necessarily need to be permanent, just get us through 6-12 months of construction (if even that long).

RR Spike in phone poles or trees won't work because those critters are rare in the area we'll be working (West Texas desert). Would rather not have to pour concrete as water is a limited resource and would have to be carried in. Soil can vary between rock outcrop or sandy loam or sandy, just depends on the site. Obviously the rock outcrops will be easy enough to mark just looking for suggestions of something cheap and easy but maybe a little more than a just a capped iron rod.

 
Posted : 10/10/2014 12:08 pm
(@kevin-samuel)
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If the rock outcrop is stable, I would set a domed cap in the outcrop.

 
Posted : 10/10/2014 12:22 pm
(@andy-nold)
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Again, the soil type varies on each site. There is no guarantee that there is any rock on all of the sites. Where there is rock, it will be easy enough. Quite possible that there is no rock on any of the sites. I haven't seen them yet.

 
Posted : 10/10/2014 12:26 pm
(@partychief3)
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How about a 3' section of 4"x4" post with a rr spike in a pre-drilled hole in the end buried flush. You can stamp control number or elev into the head of the spike.
That much mass should resist movement for your time frame. Adjust lengths as needed.
I don't know how you carry but you could tote quite a few on a four wheeler or pack them in.

 
Posted : 10/10/2014 12:36 pm
(@james-fleming)
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No trees, no power poles, no water, just rock and sand, huh?

 
Posted : 10/10/2014 12:52 pm
(@williwaw)
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little more than a just a capped iron rod.

If you have a Cobra or other gas powered jack hammer, one guy can drive a rebar into just about anything to point of refusal. The right bit will round off the top of the rebar nicely. Plant one of those metal fence posts with the spade foot inverted a foot away and write your details on the spade foot part with nail polish, flag her up like a Christmas tree and away you go. Cheap, quick n easy. I'd stay away from caps, they're prone to getting knocked off or working loose. It is just a TBM after all.

 
Posted : 10/10/2014 12:55 pm
(@andy-nold)
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Here is a link to Google streetview of the typical terrain, except that it is probably 20 miles off the highway.

@31.7195752,-103.8177063,3a,23.8y,38.36h,85.28t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s1iLB7nkOKpCFj1of_DAi7g!2e0?hl=en"> https://www.google.com/maps/ @31.7195752,-103.8177063,3a,23.8y,38.36h,85.28t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s1iLB7nkOKpCFj1of_DAi7g!2e0?hl=en

 
Posted : 10/10/2014 12:58 pm
(@andy-nold)
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No poles, no trees no water spouts,
Not a single luxury,
Like Robinson Crusoe,
As primative as can be.

 
Posted : 10/10/2014 1:05 pm
(@pls30820)
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That actually made me laugh out loud. I want to send that to my "engineers" when they ask me for a benchmark. Actually, i think i will. (the picture above Andys post)

 
Posted : 10/10/2014 1:36 pm
(@kent-mcmillan)
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> I am looking for recommendations for the benchmarks that don't necessarily need to be permanent, just get us through 6-12 months of construction (if even that long).

In sandy and clayey soil, I've been satisfied with how relatively well a 6'8" #5 rebar with aluminum cap performs. 6'8" is just 1/3 the length of a 20 ft. stick of rebar, nothing otherwise magic about it.

In expansive soils, I use a 36" length of 1/2" thin wall PVC irrigation pipe as a sleeve to isolate the upper part of the rod.

Installation consists of driving a 36" length of 3/4 in. pipe (with pipe cap on hammered end, pulling pipe with vise grip pliers, inserting PVC pipe sleeve, dropping rebar into sleeve and finishing driving rod with tee post pounder and sledge.

There wouldn't be any reason not to use 8' rebars if you have a means to transport them. The longer the rebar, the more important it is to have the tee post pounder to do most of the work, just finishing off the rod with the sledge.

 
Posted : 10/10/2014 1:44 pm
(@steve-gilbert)
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"RR Spike in phone poles or trees won't work"

Railroad spikes in poles are illegal. Poles are owned by the utilities and are n ot public property. Spikes in them are a safety hazard for anyone who climbs them and they can cause structural damage to the pole.

I think a surveyor in NE Alabama was successfully sued for about $30,000 for damages.

 
Posted : 10/10/2014 1:44 pm
(@andy-nold)
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We're gonna put thumbtacks in the greasewood for BM's.

FWIW, I don't spike utility poles.

 
Posted : 10/10/2014 1:59 pm
(@norman-oklahoma)
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> Railroad spikes in poles are illegal.
In Oklahoma spikes are in every pole within taping distance of a section corner and sometimes more than one. I'm sure it's the same in Texas. We don't put spikes in poles here in Oregon anymore either, but that's just one of the differences.

 
Posted : 10/10/2014 2:13 pm
(@norman-oklahoma)
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A 7 foot rod would do the job splendidly and remain stable for many years, but it seems like overkill for a single year. Any rod driven to a depth of about twice the depth of the deepest frost penetration should be good. Domed aluminum caps over a 5/8" x 30" iron rod would be quite sufficient, and installed with nothing more than a hammer. Adding the PVC sleeve is a nice touch if the soil is expansive and the budget bears it.

 
Posted : 10/10/2014 2:21 pm
(@john-putnam)
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Okay, unless I'm missing something, I would just set 24-30" #5 rebar with control caps. I would assume that by benchmark the client actually 3D site control. Unless your project is in a swamp or straight up sand I don't see the need for 6' of iron in the ground or setting an NGS bench seems a little overkill. I've set quite a few bench marks to refusal and your in the $500 to $1000 range for each. Not something I would even thick about for 6 months.

 
Posted : 10/10/2014 2:29 pm
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