When I'd made up my mind I was going after my license, I had a half dozen or more surveyors I'd worked for in the past I needed to track down and document my time with for the board. I'd suggest filling out all the paper work for them, including the dates worked, responsible charge or not, ect. and present the complete package to them, including an addressed stamped envelope, so that all he has do is verify the dates, put his stamp on it and drop it in the mail. Make it as convenient and painless as possible for him. Then if he doesn't submit it, you can take the matter up with your state board. I had one individual I had no warm fuzzies for whatsoever who I was certain was going to drop it in the trash. Sure enough he had his secretary verify the dates and he got it in and I was able to sit for the LS exam. He's professionally and ethically obligated to do it.
Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.
Former Boss Not Acknowledging Work History ?
In reading this thread, I was thinking the same thing. Refusing to supply an employee or former employee with a verification of work history *should* be something the board can act on. I'm not sure if it is, though.
What would concern me, is that if a boss is pressured in a hostile way, he could confirm the employment history, but claim that the experience is not "qualified" experience. I'm not sure about other states, but in Florida, a boss not only has to acknowledge you had a job, but also state the type of work you performed meet certain criteria ... basically, that you could locate evidence, observe good field practice, do comps, make some decisions, etc., without a superior looking over your shoulder all the time. If you piss off your boss, he could acknowledge your employment history, but claim that you were not independent enough for the work to qualify.
However, read it again, this is not a former boss. This is his current boss. Bringing an action against your current boss is probably not a good idea if you want to have a job tomorrow. He said he still wants or needs to work for the guy so he needs a more tactful way to get his signature.
Former Boss Not Acknowledging Work History ?
Something doesn't smell right.
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> How long an SIT? When did you Pass the exam?
> How much experience etc is required to sit for your SIT and then your LLS as this varies widely state to state?
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I've been an SIT for 6 years now. For NH you have to have your SIT and 6 years of progress work, or SIT, 4 years of work and 2 years of school. I have 2 years of school, 10 years of work.
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> How much of your daily work is decision making IE responsible charge decisions about boundaries, control, monuments etc. Work that your boss is ultimately overseeing.
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Most of my daily work is decision making, from where and how i set up a trav. to what monuments actually mean anything, though i locate them all. Everything i do, be outside work to office work to research, my boss oversees every aspect, but i make the decisions and have to prove my decisions to him and thats been like that for the past 10 years.
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> No interest in helping you become an LLS or no interest in helping you with your application? Have you talked about the desire to become an LLS and what is his response?
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Both. Yes i have, many times and his response is "ohh....so you can leave me?" always followed by a laugh and every time i say no
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> Can't really help you there. I continually tell many of the local surveying students that there are plenty of jobs out there but you may have to be willing to travel and or move around awhile to get to where you want to be.
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I travel pretty far now, and i really don't want to travel much further or have an interest in moving, but yes there is many jobs out there.
Do You Survey Only In NH ?
Are all 10 years experience with this one firm?
Does your 2 years of education include an AS or AAS in Surveying?
When was your SIT applicable?
Consider applying in another state.
If you have an AS or AAS degree consider applying in the state in which that institution is.
It is time you started thinking outside your bosses box.
Paul in PA
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> > How long an SIT? When did you Pass the exam?
> > How much experience etc is required to sit for your SIT and then your LLS as this varies widely state to state?
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> I've been an SIT for 6 years now. For NH you have to have your SIT and 6 years of progress work, or SIT, 4 years of work and 2 years of school. I have 2 years of school, 10 years of work.
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> > How much of your daily work is decision making IE responsible charge decisions about boundaries, control, monuments etc. Work that your boss is ultimately overseeing.
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> Most of my daily work is decision making, from where and how i set up a trav. to what monuments actually mean anything, though i locate them all. Everything i do, be outside work to office work to research, my boss oversees every aspect, but i make the decisions and have to prove my decisions to him and thats been like that for the past 10 years.
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> > No interest in helping you become an LLS or no interest in helping you with your application? Have you talked about the desire to become an LLS and what is his response?
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> Both. Yes i have, many times and his response is "ohh....so you can leave me?" always followed by a laugh and every time i say no
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> > Can't really help you there. I continually tell many of the local surveying students that there are plenty of jobs out there but you may have to be willing to travel and or move around awhile to get to where you want to be.
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> I travel pretty far now, and i really don't want to travel much further or have an interest in moving, but yes there is many jobs out there.
>his response is "ohh....so you can leave me?"
So he has no idea (with all joking aside) you don't want to leave but actually want to in some way shape or form continue on and take over for when he wants to retire.
Sounds like you really need to talk to him about a buyout, retirement plan etc so you are both on the same page. Seems it's definitely time for him to sign off on your time as well.
Do You Survey Only In NH ?
It is time you started thinking outside your bosses box
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Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.
I'm sorry you are in this situation.
Remember this though. If you cut bait and walk without him signing those vexperience forms, you lose all that time. No other surveyor can sign off on time you worked forv this "Tool".
I would try again to have a serious conversation about why he refuses. If that doesn't work then show up one morning and refuse to do any work until he signs it.
Walking away without those experience forms should be absolutely a last resort.
well, id be at his desk in the morning..sign this before i go to work. should he refuse, then id be out the door.
I say to go through all the appropriate motions to apply. Point out to the boss that you have no intention to compete against him, and that it is in his best interest to tell clients that he is supervisor to a licensed surveyor. The board might not act like they should, but remember that you can show that you have been under his employ. I think you need to show that you went through the effort. No one can say "he never asked".
Who knows? Maybe he won't have the guts to actually lie or refuse to send it in.
Go through the basic motions before you look at the next level or before you give up.
Good luck
> So he has no idea (with all joking aside) you don't want to leave but actually want to in some way shape or form continue on and take over for when he wants to retire.
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> Sounds like you really need to talk to him about a buyout, retirement plan etc so you are both on the same page. Seems it's definitely time for him to sign off on your time as well.
He knows i want to take over after him, we attended a seminar/workshop about the different process, but that's as far as its gone. Unfortunately there is little "down time" to talk to him. He is either sending me out to do research or field work and when i'm in the office he doesn't want to be bothered because he is to busy with a current/future project.
Do You Survey Only In NH ?
> Are all 10 years experience with this one firm?
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> Does your 2 years of education include an AS or AAS in Surveying?
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> When was your SIT applicable?
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> Consider applying in another state.
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> If you have an AS or AAS degree consider applying in the state in which that institution is.
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> It is time you started thinking outside your bosses box.
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> Paul in PA
Yes all ten years with this firm. Started with 11 employees and now its me, a co-worker, and the boss. I have an AS in Architectural engineering with a certificate in Civil engineering. I got my SIT in 2008. I don't live close enough to another state to apply there.
Thanks everyone for the support/help. I'm going to push some more, than i'm done. Guess i'll have to travel for a bit:-/
I'll update when i get an answer
I mean what firm isn't looking for a SIT that can do research, field work, office work, ect., right?:-D
AS From ?
What you need is 3 professionals who are familiar with your work.
You are being held a slave.
There are states that are more welcoming.
Paul in PA
Don't know where you are in NH, but a quick search on Craigslist comes up with a few, NH, ME, & MA. But maybe you're too far away to consider those.
As far as waiting for a transition to ownership, if the guy is being this uncooperative with your LLS app, then I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that.
I'd fill out the app, send your reference forms to some other LLS's, and if your boss won't sign his name to the experience verification form, I'd contact a board member and see if they'll accept it without his signature.
> Don't know where you are in NH, but a quick search on Craigslist comes up with a few, NH, ME, & MA. But maybe you're too far away to consider those.
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> As far as waiting for a transition to ownership, if the guy is being this uncooperative with your LLS app, then I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that.
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> I'd fill out the app, send your reference forms to some other LLS's, and if your boss won't sign his name to the experience verification form, I'd contact a board member and see if they'll accept it without his signature.
Yeah they are down by the seacoast and southern NH, about 1 1/2 hour one way trip, plus when the winter hits 93 sucks!:-D
I'm planning on it, when he has time for me...
Just an update. I was able to find some of his elusive free time and asked him a few questions.
1) has he looked at my application for LLS? "I'm getting to it, been busy"
2) has he thought of a raise? "Well with everything going up in price, really can't, plus I'm not getting my normal pay either. I know we have had work (almost 2 full years of billable time) but it hasn't looked good this year, so that a no to a raise"
:-/
Update #2
still no time to look at my application. And still no raise:-/
But come next Tuesday i will have a surprise for him...:snarky:
oh and him not getting his "normal pay"...yeah i snooped and that's a lie, has been for almost a year now:-@
Becoming a LLS Unsolicited advice
> Update #2
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> still no time to look at my application. And still no raise:-/
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> But come next Tuesday i will have a surprise for him...:snarky:
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> oh and him not getting his "normal pay"...yeah i snooped and that's a lie, has been for almost a year now:-@
Whatever you do..do it in a professional manner even though he has been jerking your chain. You have worked for this outfit for 10 years, so for your future professional goals behave as a professional. It is that simple, there is no need to completely burn your bridge. Your reputation is based on experiences such as this.
Becoming a LLS Unsolicited advice
I'll second that. The only thing worse than having a reputation as a butt is knowing it's true. Keep the upper hand by taking the high road. Nothing beats being able to look in the mirror.