If the corner is rejected what's the rational to drive it down other than jerking it out?
How did you tell if it was a goat stake and within a link of the corner?
> Set the 1/16, drive the goat stake below ground, file the record and move on...
:good:
A 2" aluminum disk that fits into a rod sleeve. What other new innovations will the goat stake industry think of next to decoy surveyors?
I am thinking that the definition of a "goat stake" is any piece of metal sticking out of the ground that is not at the exact measured true point for the corner!
Right?
Keith
Yepper, especially if you cannot prove it was set by a licensed land surveyor, and you cannot prove that surveyor has complied exactly with all filing requirements and current measuring standards. However, the "goat stake" may not be removed, only hidden, as there may be a possibility that somneone relied on it for something other than to tie the proverbial goat to.
Now I'm confused................
I FOUND IT!
THE RECORD OF GOAT STAKE map!
I don't think we have enough information to jump on the bandwagon either way, though.
Pablo
Pablo; not a goat stake.
I THINK I know who set it, but they have no record of it. The guy who was the gate keeper (he left a few weeks ago) for all the survey and land info for that company went through all the records with me and we found nothing. I have all the surveys for the highway, railroad and a sub-station in the area and none of those mention the corner being set. Asked all the local surveyors and no one ever was there. It marks the southwest corner of one of those isolated state 40s that pop up inside private lands.
My client is the owner on three sides of the corner and leases the 40 acres of state land. There has been no use of this corner-no fence, roads, pipelines, power lines, nothing-it sits in the middle of a cow pasture.
The owners of the property have no record of the corner and they have had it since the early 60's. The reason I think the corner was set after the BLM survey is because the controlling corners are prorated. I suppose someone might have come to the same answer as the BLM before they got there, but it's highy unlikely. The older surveys in the area were based on old iron pipes and the BLM rejected those.
Anyway, after all that, I'm leaning strongly towards accepting it. I'll have you know who look at it closer this week and decide then. It was covered up by 3" of dirt and he found it back in August. If it is on a good enough base it just may get stenciled as is.
Not that it matters, but my client would gain the 1.5' if it is accepted.
Accept the monument
That is a railroad tie carriage bolt. Where I work, non PLSS, I have recovered a few as corners and they checked.
I repeat
"I think that a lot of us have actually found goat stakes near property corners.
It's not uncommon.
You have to be on your toes .
Don
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CA PLS 5253"
Your experience may be limited, but it is important to not take yourself too seriously, and
BE ON YOUR TOES
and then take a deep breath.
Aside from me, nobody here is the smartest surveyor in the world.
Got it?
Good,
Don:-)
I repeat
So how does the smartest surveyor determine that the iron rod is a goat stake?
I repeat
I don't accept inquiries without smilies.
🙂
Don
I repeat
> I think that a lot of us have actually found goat stakes near property corners.
> It's not uncommon.
> You have to be on your toes .
>
I used to find lots of goat stakes too, until I started to learn that real land surveying was much more of an intellectual exercise that taking mere measurements and putting deed distances on the ground.
> Your experience may be limited, but it is important to not take yourself too seriously...
My experience may be limited compared to some of the posters hereon, but I'm definitely no greenhorn. No I don't know it all, but I'm definitely trying to find out what is the actual law, what are our actual duties as surveyors, and seperating those real facts from the many surveyor myths that seem for some reason, to be very pervasive and have infested and are rotting our once noble profession. And no, I don't take myself too seriously, well most of the time anyway. But I do take my duties and my profession very seriously.
> Aside from me, nobody here is the smartest surveyor in the world.
> Got it?
I do now 😉
Mighty Moe
Has the person that you think set it used this same monument-type elsewhere?
Mighty Moe
I would like to know what that thing is, I have seen it before. It is not a goat stake or a timber spike or a railroad carriage bolt that I can find in the magical world of google images.
I would not accept it even if it was within 0.00000 feet of where I was looking. We don't know what it is, how it got there, who put it there or why it was placed. The only evidence you have to hold it is that it is close to where you were looking.
You have no evidence whatsoever (yet?) that it was intended to be the corner, never mind that it was set in good faith.
I hope you have good luck and find out that it is in fact the corner as that will please the client too, but I don't think you can defend accepting something based purely on proximity to a calculated point.
Not trying to pick a fight with anyone about this, just got a headache from looking at all the google images. (I know I have seen that damn thing before, it's making me nuts.)
