Mark Mayer, post: 422399, member: 424 wrote: If your control monuments are more than a foot long that is a justification to ask for markings.
The standard here is any activity that punctures the surface.
Holy Cow, post: 422508, member: 50 wrote: ...I had assumed it ran straight between the line markers on each property line since it was such a short distance.
See? There's that deadly "line of assumption" rearing its ugly head again.
In Perry, OK we have an outfit named the Charles Machine Works. They manufacture excavation and trenching equipment and sell it under the name of "Ditch Witch". The Works owns a place north of town where, among other things, the employees have their annual get-together cookout and social. The farm is also used for the testing of new trenching equipment innovation.
Here's a story about a test on their "company farm" that didn't turn out so well. The story I heard was one of confusing placards on the section lines and none on the interior parcels. It's history now.
http://newsok.com/article/2781421
I never put it is for design work. I always say we are driving steel shafts into the ground and setting concrete columns (concrete monuments) throughout the project.
Then they will call and ask for me to flag up the locations, to which I reply we are setting these steel shafts and columns on the fly so we need all utilities marked now, and cannot set a flag and wait.
Usually works, and I am not being dishonest.
BrandonA, post: 422739, member: 11837 wrote: I never put it is for design work. I always say we are driving steel shafts into the ground and setting concrete columns (concrete monuments) throughout the project.
Then they will call and ask for me to flag up the locations, to which I reply we are setting these steel shafts and columns on the fly so we need all utilities marked now, and cannot set a flag and wait.
Usually works, and I am not being dishonest.
It's probably been ten or more years ago but we had a rep from the Locate Center come and speak at one of our conventions. He verified that a "non-excavation" call would probably get lost. He also indicated that might not be the case if the requesting party was another utility owner. There is truly a hierarchy when it comes to getting utilities marked.
He also explained he would never suggest anybody be dishonest with the call center. But he stated, as you reiterated above, a mere prevarication definitely does not fall in the "dishonest" category. 😉
It's called CYA:
If you've requested a utility locate and they don't locate their utility for you; you've done your part and they refused to do theirs. If a buried utility is in the way of the final design and extra costs are involved to resolve this issue; you won't have to pay for it...
Fl. went nuts (especially all us surveyors who fell under this requirement) when this ÛÏcall 811Û business was initiated by the FedÛªs. Our company complied and sent a list of new boundary and house stake outs (56) scheduled for the following week in a new subdivision. Their response was ÛÏThank you for your submission and ticket request.Û
Never heard another word from them. ????? Ain't sending anymore either. 😎
There is something like a 72hr rule that allows you to request 811 location of utilities and after that amount of time, there can not be any recourse if your monument penetrates an underground utility.