Dan Patterson, post: 399092, member: 1179 wrote: which the subsequent users probably wouldn't need anyway because they'd be putting that model info on a different drawing.
Exactly so they then don't have to spend time deleting all your title blocks etc for design topos. Paperspace is the better option.
I create separate drawings for each sheet - SHEET 1.dwg, SHEET 2.dwg, SHEET 3.dwg, etc.These drawings contain a title block only. This is very simple - I really just create 1 drawing and then use SAVEAS to create the number of sheets I need. Then I XREF my basemap into each separate SHEET drawing, move the title block where I need it, rotate the XREF'd basemap if needed, XCLIP the basemap, add sheet specific notes and I'm done. If someone wants the drawing I just send them the basemap (or WBLOCK out what I want them to have) - nothing to delete.
Dan Patterson, post: 399092, member: 1179 wrote: I'm not trying to say you don't know what you're doing or anything like that. It sounds like you have plenty of experience and probably produce a fine CAD product, but it doesn't sound like you understand what paper-space is for.
Paper-space is for the stuff that is only on paper like the title block and notes. So in one of my drawings, all the dimensions, labels, symbols, line-work, and basically the entire 'map' are in model space. Then the viewport just takes a window view of the area within the model space that I want to show and places it inside the title block(paper-space). The general notes will be in paper-space as well. The north arrow and graphic scale and everything like that are still in model (possibly in different viewports so the scale isn't rotated). So a design topo done using paper-space would pretty much look exactly like yours except it wouldn't have the title block and notes in model space, which the subsequent users probably wouldn't need anyway because they'd be putting that model info on a different drawing.
Well put Dan, you expained it way better then my poor attempt earlier. In house topo and right of way drawing are all done in model space. No need or a title block and all the extra work that comes with setting things up to plot on paper when all the data is being xref'd into a design.
However, if it a product that requires a title block, printing, etc....we definitely use paper space.
Jim in AZ, post: 399160, member: 249 wrote: I create separate drawings for each sheet - SHEET 1.dwg, SHEET 2.dwg, SHEET 3.dwg, etc.These drawings contain a title block only. This is very simple - I really just create 1 drawing and then use SAVEAS to create the number of sheets I need. Then I XREF my basemap into each separate SHEET drawing, move the title block where I need it, rotate the XREF'd basemap if needed, XCLIP the basemap, add sheet specific notes and I'm done. If someone wants the drawing I just send them the basemap (or WBLOCK out what I want them to have) - nothing to delete.
Why wouldnt you just make tabs inside of a single drawng file?
WA-ID Surveyor, post: 399164, member: 6294 wrote: Why wouldnt you just make tabs inside of a single drawng file?
Because the script file we wrote circa 1988 to plot multiple sheets operates with multiple drawing files and not tabs, and I don't have it in me to attempt modifying it. (It ain't broke. so I'm leaving it alone!)
Jim in AZ, post: 399176, member: 249 wrote: Because the script file we wrote circa 1988 to plot multiple sheets operates with multiple drawing files and not tabs, and I don't have it in me to attempt modifying it. (It ain't broke. so I'm leaving it alone!)
Just select all tabs and publish, takes 2 seconds if your sheets are setup properly.
WA-ID Surveyor, post: 399187, member: 6294 wrote: Just select all tabs and publish, takes 2 seconds if your sheets are setup properly.
The script file probably take 5 seconds to run
I put annotation in paperspace because it simplifies my drafting. I don't do subdivisions, though, just Record of Survey maps.
Dave Karoly, post: 399202, member: 94 wrote: I put annotation in paperspace because it simplifies my drafting. I don't do subdivisions, though, just Record of Survey maps.
I wasn't going to be the first to admit this, but I also put all my annotations and dimensions in paper space. The only annotations I have in model space are Civil 3D labels. I do this regardless of the type of project.
Warren Smith, post: 399093, member: 9900 wrote: Yes, a base topo drawing for design purposes is appropriate for model space - a snapshot.
ALTA maps, records of survey, subdivision maps - with notes, details, and the like are more efficiently drawn using viewports in paper space.
An analogy is the old method of pin drafting and stickybacks.
I've used a different analogy. I started out doing mostly site work projects. We would draw up the base topo, then make several mylars for the different sheets we would need in our set (Grading, Drainage, Site Plan, Utility Plan, etc.). The mylars would be run so the base topo was on the back side (model space). We would put all our sheet specific callouts on the front side of the mylars (paper space). We could erase our callouts without erasing the base topo this way. Of course the first rule of manual drafting was always "Never draw more in the morning than you can erase in the afternoon".
I didn't read all the comments but I personally hate having stuff in paper space, but, the minute you need more than one sheet, I like paper space. I'm sure there is a way to do it all in model space but it would seem more work than just using layouts in paper space.
Started in model space and for majority of work with maximum 4 or 5 sheets wasn't really a problem.
Plunged into paper apace and never regretted.
Occasionally still use model space but mainly to make prints of a job to send off for quick viewing on screen, not to be printed.
However the big plus for me, using Bricscad is I can just print all the sheets to PDF in one command.
Paper space isn't overly complicated. I'd suggest giving it some serious consideration. And persevere.
And ask questions when stuck.
There's some basic stuff to master but once you understand second nature takes over.