Multiple "Side" Shots with SurvCE 2.0

F1/F2 shots for a topo grid is overkill unless you're doing something like a floor flatness survey. Usually if there is an errant shot on a topo grid it shows up as an outlier by the way it affects the contours.

Knowing how to do F1/F2 for sideshots, though, is a good idea in general - good for any point that you need a tighter vertical. I really don't get any more warm fuzzies for horizontal location unless the backsight is also included, though.

RFC,

Why do you want to double angles or F1/F2 on a Topo grid? What are you trying to topo? Grid's are for generally flat topo ares. You need to learn about breaklines for rugged terrain, often seen in Vermont.

I do NOT use SurvCE. But it sounds like you want set collection or Angle Sets. Which may not have worked well in the 2.0 version of SurvCE.
Below is a part of the release notes from current release 4.0:
http://www.carlsonsw.com/products/data-collection/survce/

Angle Sets in Store Points
SurvCE 4.0 now allows users to “Configure” how each reading is measured with regard to direct and reverse options (Formerly know as SS/Trav). If direct and reverse readings are taken at the backsight, then any direct and reverse foresight will be considered an angle set and will be reduced accordingly. This eliminates the need to use a separate routine for angle sets.

It's a software question, not a surveying question

> RFC,
>
> Why do you want to double angles or F1/F2 on a Topo grid? What are you trying to topo? Grid's are for generally flat topo ares. You need to learn about breaklines for rugged terrain, often seen in Vermont.
>
> I do NOT use SurvCE. But it sounds like you want set collection or Angle Sets. Which may not have worked well in the 2.0 version of SurvCE.
> Below is a part of the release notes from current release 4.0:
>> http://www.carlsonsw.com/products/data-collection/survce/
>
> Angle Sets in Store Points
> SurvCE 4.0 now allows users to “Configure” how each reading is measured with regard to direct and reverse options (Formerly know as SS/Trav). If direct and reverse readings are taken at the backsight, then any direct and reverse foresight will be considered an angle set and will be reduced accordingly. This eliminates the need to use a separate routine for angle sets.

Lee and Bill:
Thanks for the input. As Bill suggests doing F1/F2 is essentially an educational endeavor. Leave out the word "Topo" in my question.
I'd love to learn how, in the software, to eliminate the double face measurement as an option as well (for Topo). I can't see how to do it at all yet, i.e. BS, FS1, FS2, FS3, etc. as opposed to pairs as Bill suggests (I think) is neccessary, i.e. BS1, FS1; BS1, FS2, BS1, FS3, etc.

I have that option right now with the instrument and my field book, so It's really a software question, not a surveying question.

As for SurvCE 4.0, that's not an option right now for me.
If it turns out it's possible in 4.0 but not possible in 2.0, I'll either re-consider, or just keep sharpening my pencils.:-)

I'm using SurvCE 2.62

If I follow your post correctly, I believe you are looking for the "Store Points" button on the "Survey" tab.

Using this function, you backsight once, then take as many FS points as you want. You always have the option of checking your BS or resetting "0" if needed.

For angle sets, if you want to change the settings for your routine, you will find that in the "Configure" button on the "Equip" tab. Navigate to the "Sets" tab. You may also find the general configuration settings useful.

You can do this in Set Collection.

You set up and backsight.

Then you enter each point number you want to foresight in the next screen after you are done backsighting. You have to know in advance which points you want to foresight. Be sure to have it configured for only 1 set unless you want to turn more than one.

I think you can backsight F1/F2 in Store points then collect topo shots F1/F2 but I don't know exactly how that works. You would have to peck around in there to figure it out.

> I'm using SurvCE 2.62
>
> If I follow your post correctly, I believe you are looking for the "Store Points" button on the "Survey" tab.
>
> Using this function, you backsight once, then take as many FS points as you want. You always have the option of checking your BS or resetting "0" if needed.
>
> For angle sets, if you want to change the settings for your routine, you will find that in the "Configure" button on the "Equip" tab. Navigate to the "Sets" tab. You may also find the general configuration settings useful.

Thank you.I think you're right. I didn't go far enough into that menu to see that you could do multiple FS points. One of the things hampering progress is not having a way to simulate these routines without the instrument connected live. Someone suggested there was a way to do this...to enter positions from the keypad...but I haven't found that capability yet.

To clarify:
"Store Points" is used to take as many single readings on different points as desired...without using both faces.
"Set Collection" is used to take one or more sets of readings from a BS to a FS (such as during a traverse).
In that case, the software means the Faces and saves the points.

> Then you enter each point number you want to foresight in the next screen after you are done backsighting. You have to know in advance which points you want to foresight.

This won't work for what I'm attempting. The points don't yet exist. I think what bykhed says about "Store Points" will though. In the field, I want the software to auto number new points, as I take them.