Duplicate Points in Carlson

That's how I do it.

Tommy Young, post: 365128, member: 703 wrote: That's how I do it.

Thanks

I find that so annoying about Carlson. Why isn't there a point merge or something? Like if the info is the same it gets dropped, and if it has updated it gets replaced. That way pretty much only new points come in or ones that have been field averaged a second time and now have new coordinates.

I have the same problem but have developed a system to work around it. When I do a daily download of points from the data collector, I download the points for the day to a different ascii file to import into Carlson so I am only importing the new points. This keeps me from having duplicate point numbers or having to redo any line work based on points located earlier in the job.

Carlson primarily uses the .crd file. There are not duplicate points in the CRD file.

Erase and re-draw your points.

Perhaps, Carlson could add a setting to fix that. It's a pain.

Points -> Draw-Locate-Point -> Make sure "Erase Duplicates" is checked. It will not erase your line work.

Alternatively LPOINT -> Then make sure "Erase Duplicates" is checked.

Also check out Points -> Point Utilities -> Duplicate Points and Compare Points.

When I have several days of field work, I usually start a new drawing each day and only import in the new points I have collected, I create a new crd file and do the field to finish. Then I cut and paste the new entities into my original drawing and merge the new crd file into the original one.

I've been using SMI Transfer V7 to manage coord files for about 25rys and it has not failed me yet.

Let Carlson create all the CRD files it wants.

Every time I update coord files, I erase all points in a drawing and upload the latest updated *.asc file into the drawing and all is well.

B-)

Carlson is the most powerful point program...if there's a will there's a way.

Go to Coordinate File Utility in the Points Menu...select copy-merge points...it will red flag duplicate points allowing you to skip, renumber or over right...this is a powerful tool for working with multiple crd files...you can copy from, to or create new crd files.

I tried Carlson for a year.....I'm used to civil 3D at this point even though it was a huge pain to learn. All this CRD vs drawing business seems like a mess to me.

Like yea that's point number 10, but not really....it's a leftover image of where point 10 once was but the real, updated point 10 location is saved in a separate file and you can get it back. Yea.....seems real handy

Dan Patterson, post: 365281, member: 1179 wrote: I tried Carlson for a year.....I'm used to civil 3D at this point even though it was a huge pain to learn. All this CRD vs drawing business seems like a mess to me.

Like yea that's point number 10, but not really....it's a leftover image of where point 10 once was but the real, updated point 10 location is saved in a separate file and you can get it back. Yea.....seems real handy

It's not quite like what you say.
It actually works pretty seamlessly.
One nice thing about it is the fact that you can have multiple drawings using the same CRD file. I'm not sure how you handle that in Civil 3D?

I remember when I tested out Civil 3D, I created a surface, then added a couple spot elevations. The text was overlapping something, so I selected it and moved it out of the way....it moved the entire surface....I wasn't too impressed with that ability.

Like any tool, you have to learn how to use them and leverage their strengths.

You can do as suggested above and erase them with the Draw/Locate Points option. The FTF dialog box has it so that you can select an option to only draw points, lines, or symbols, or all three. There's also an option there to "Erase Existing Field To Finish Entities" or not, and "Erase In Range". This is a very powerful option that allows you to redraw only certain points without erasing your line work.

For those of you using multiple .crd files, you might consider using the Point Group Manager and you can draw, modify, erase, etc. any point group you've created. I know some folks have had problems with this in the past, but it seems to work for me, especially in the last couple of releases.

imaudigger, post: 365499, member: 7286 wrote: It's not quite like what you say.
It actually works pretty seamlessly.
One nice thing about it is the fact that you can have multiple drawings using the same CRD file. I'm not sure how you handle that in Civil 3D?

I remember when I tested out Civil 3D, I created a surface, then added a couple spot elevations. The text was overlapping something, so I selected it and moved it out of the way....it moved the entire surface....I wasn't too impressed with that ability.

Like any tool, you have to learn how to use them and leverage their strengths.

You're right. I am sure if I had spent more time I would have gotten to like it more, but it just seemed too cumbersome at the time, and I didn't have the time to learn it. In civil 3D you have to know which grips to use in order not to move the points, or alternatively, you can lock them so they cannot be moved. That's a simple 2 click operation to lock all the points in the drawing from being edited/moved.

What I do is maintain one crd file per project drawing. When downloading each day, a new ascii file is created with just that day's points, and named in the following format: [Project No.][Fieldbook No.][Fieldbook Pg].txt

Then, when pulling the points into Carlson, a new point group is created for each day's new points, and named the same as the ascii file, sans the .txt.

This really helps not only to manage points easily, but also to be able to track points back to the source field book & page quickly.

While getting used to Carlson, we tried the whole multiple crd file thing. It was an absolute nightmare. Point groups are your friend.

All my filenames are the same, only the extension is different

project.1K
project.asc
project.raw
project.crd
project.dwg
project.wpd
project.pdf

Looseleaf notes stay with the folder.

It is possible to add files together inside Carlson under the "Import Text/ASCII File" command and renumber them to something other than the existing stored points.
Select the "file" and "value to add to point #s" and hit "enter".
Then you can check their values, rotate, translate if needed and now all your related points are in the same file and drawing.

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Dan Patterson, post: 365520, member: 1179 wrote: You're right. I am sure if I had spent more time I would have gotten to like it more, but it just seemed too cumbersome at the time, and I didn't have the time to learn it. In civil 3D you have to know which grips to use in order not to move the points, or alternatively, you can lock them so they cannot be moved. That's a simple 2 click operation to lock all the points in the drawing from being edited/moved.

ANY software package that you do not know how to use is cumbersome. Locking points can be done in Carlson also in pretty much the same way you state.
People do some really elaborate and silly things with points simply because they don't know how to work with Carlson points. As a LONG time user of LDD, Eagle Point and several other cad packs, I can tell you that Carlson is the easiest to use when it comes to points, point management and point utilization.
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