Subject: Warning - E15 gas
Watch this video – cars older that 2012 will have problem
Our dysfunctional government at work!
Shouldn't this be under P&R?
Shouldn't this be under P&R?
One thing I caught from the Snopes article: People are accidentaly pumping E85 into their cars which are not approved to run E85? I have never accidentaly pumped E85 into my vehicle, just as I have never accidentaly pumped diesel fuel into my vehicle (or kerosene for that matter). People who are that dumb should probably not be driving anyway.
Not unless someone makes it one
I would hope we could discuss this type of issue without making it political. Yes, a certain party or group of people might especially like or dislike the regulations from a partisan perspective and only argue those points that support their opinion, but it seems like you could have your scientific, and intellectual discussions without bringing politics into it. Either the ethanol and alcohol mix cause problems in a lot of vehicles or they don't, and they do it or don't for a reason.
I don't care much politically, and don't have a problem with ethanol, but I do kind of wish I could by some straight gas easily for my 20-year-old lawn mower.
Shouldn't this be under P&R?
If you listen to the govt they say anyone can use it, States even subsidize it.
Here the diesel is a green handle, gas black, What little I have seen of E85 the handles are the same color as the regular gas - black.
CA gets up 10% whether we like it or not.
Even SEMA is against E85.
It eats the rubber in the fuel system; flex hoses between the hard line and the motor, and at the tanks, any rubber parts in carburetors, and rubber in injection nozzles.
And it evaporates before your eyes, money up in air.
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I didn't watch the video.
But I'd like to share what I heard.
This ethanol additive that's out there, 15%, 85% whatever, "attracts" moisture, in my little outboard engine you can notice this, it runs rough sometimes spits and coughs.
The answer is to add a fuel additive like StaBil fuel stabilizer.
It's worked like a charm for me.
I guess the flex-fuel cars are made with material that won't corrode due to ethenol?
I bought a new Malibu in June and have recorded every fill-up run through the car. It averages 36 mpg on the highway and around 25 or so in the city. The only exception being when I have taken trips to Oklahoma City and gotten fill-ups of the real deal no ethanol gasoline. Then I have averaged 42 mpg coming home on that tankful.
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I like Star Tron better than Sta-bil. ALL my older small engines get it.
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Not unless someone makes it one
I'm all for discussing this without the politics, but when the OP adds...
> "Our dysfunctional government at work!"
... it sort of broke that barrier right from the get go, don't you think?
If you read my Snopes link, you'd see that testing shows that any car post 2001 is OK, not 2012 as that bogus "news" story tries to mislead people into beleiving. But since the oil industry is funding the anti-E85 campaign, I guess their shills have to pick a side.
Been know for years, learned the hard way, what ethanol does to fuel system and about the loss of power which requires the need to burn more fuel to get the BTU's in a non contaminated gallon of fuel. Thousands of small engines have had their fuel systems destroyed because of adding ethanol to gas. The powers that be have cared less about the damage or costs to consumers. One thing not noted was the added effect on the older cars that had a shellac buildup, which is normal in the tank and fuel system, it destroys the adhesion to the tanks and lines allowing the shellac to plug up the system. I have had to have chain saws, lawn mowers and generators rebuilt because of not knowing about the effects of ethanol in gas soon enough. The local mechanic says that he has made thousands of dollars rebuilding carburetors, fuel pumps and fuel lines damaged by ethanol.
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I can completely see why you or anyone might not like it. It definitely teeters on the edge of politics. Some broadcasters just can't state facts without throwing in their little jabs. But if I couldn't listen past those little jabs, I might not learn about some of the additives that might help or some of the real reasons behind the problems with ethanol. Anyway, I can't completely disagree with your remarks, and if you take offense, I can see it. For me, it just takes some name-calling and the hatred spews that make me think it's over the brink. I'll just write down the name of those additives before someone gets the thread removed. 😉
Shouldn't this be under P&R?
I worked at a gas station while going through school; we had yellow handles, a fairly large sign on the pump and yet, people would still make mistakes. Oh well.
The two cycle issue is the only problem I've encountered, then again I don't use anything higher than 10 per cent ethonol and have used Sea Foam religiously on all vehicles for years about every 40 thousand miles. It keeps all the gunk from building up and clears any moisture from the system.
Once I found the generic additive they sell at Lowes I've made it a point to use it in all my lawnmowers, weed eaters and other small two cycle engines.
I'm not seeing how that is picking sides. Their owner's manual says not to use anything above E10, and they have made the decision as car owners to follow their owner's manual. That doesn't address any bogus science saying it's unsafe. Testing has showed it safe for vehicles post 2001. Seems like someone in the original story got their date wrong by a decade.
