The difference would be 0.0003636 feet in 75 feet.?ÿ That is less than a fly speck.?ÿ Then why not show it agreeing with the bearing of the south section line.?ÿ This sloppiness adds to the confusion of those who are not surveyors.
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I was asking about these types of circumstances when I first started posting and digesting this board.
A surveyor I was working under explained to my question of "How do you decide which data to hold when reviewing previously filed plats?"
He walked me through the process of evaluating the data, the age of the plats, the use or not use of GPS and when it was used chronological to the previous or recent data. I found this to be very enlightening and also depending on the circumstances very limiting too.?ÿ Huge props for him taking time out to expand on his rationale so I could learn and understand what you Licenses are doing and what I'll eventually be doing myself.
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This site rocks!
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I have a copy of his book. I've read it and find myself in strong agreement with most of what he wrote. I always try to make a decision on a monument before I check the bearing and distance. If a previous surveyor (don't flame me but even a property owner-if he's splitting his own property) set a corner; I have no authority to "correct" his measurements and set new corners. I have followed some of my dad's surveys from the 1960's. Sometimes he was "off" by a foot on a 100' lot. His customers built houses and fences based on those monuments. They are forever fixed in my mind. I understand that monuments get moved; but, that's illegal and I don't think it should govern our thinking.
Let me know if you want to read Mr. Lucas' book. I'll drop it off next time I'm close by.
I have Jeff Lucas's book and I read it, but it is very much another text book and I did not get much new info out of it.
In my part of Upstate New York the record dimensions rule, so we show the monuments refenced to the record.?ÿ ?ÿ?ÿ
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You're going to tell me more about this, because it sounds like the survey would have a call to a point, and then cute little language like "North 0.53', East 0.87' from a found steel rod".
I am violently opposed to doing that, and in fact, if I voiced my full opinion in this forum, I'd get a lifetime ban.
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Something like that, but it is usually parallel and perpendicular ties from the lines at the corner.
Sort of like showing ties to a fence post or some other object near a corner or along a line.
The ties hardly ever get called out in the description, the monument just gets omitted.
I'm sure you would not like the way we do it, but I also know that the attorneys that order most of the property transfer surveys locally would quickly find a different surveyor if every survey showed different bearings and distances than the deed description.
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I have Jeff Lucas's book and I read it, but it is very much another text book and I did not get much new info out of it.
In my part of Upstate New York the record dimensions rule, so we show the monuments refenced to the record.?ÿ ?ÿ?ÿ
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You're going to tell me more about this, because it sounds like the survey would have a call to a point, and then cute little language like "North 0.53', East 0.87' from a found steel rod".
I am violently opposed to doing that, and in fact, if I voiced my full opinion in this forum, I'd get a lifetime ban.
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Something like that, but it is usually parallel and perpendicular ties from the lines at the corner.
Sort of like showing ties to a fence post or some other object near a corner or along a line.The ties hardly ever get called out in the description, the monument just gets omitted.
I'm sure you would not like the way we do it, but I also know that the attorneys that order most of the property transfer surveys locally would quickly find a different surveyor if every survey showed different bearings and distances than the deed description.
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Screw the attorneys.?ÿ That's not surveying and anyone doing that should have their license revoked.?ÿ If the attorneys want to survey, they can get a license themselves.
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You know, there are EXCEPTIONS to everything
You're going to tell me more about this, because it sounds like the survey would have a call to a point, and then cute little language like "North 0.53', East 0.87' from a found steel rod".
I am violently opposed to doing that, and in fact, if I voiced my full opinion in this forum, I'd get a lifetime ban.
If I had SET that rebar, and the Farmer set a Treated Power Pole Post ON TOP of that rebar, and stuck the rebar back in beside the big new post, you'd find me doing exactly what you describe!!
Ok, back to your regularly scheduled tea....
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attorneys that order most of the property transfer surveys locally would quickly find a different surveyor if every survey showed different bearings and distances than the deed description.
That's not a property survey. It's a plot. Let them find an expert plotter.?ÿ
I am violently opposed to doing that, and in fact, if I voiced my full opinion in this forum, I'd get a lifetime ban.
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easy Leonard, go easy....If Hartman finds us in the latrine after lights out we're going to be in a world of $H!T....
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The ties hardly ever get called out in the description, the monument just gets omitted.
I'm sure you would not like the way we do it, but I also know that the attorneys that order most of the property transfer surveys locally would quickly find a different surveyor if every survey showed different bearings and distances than the deed description.
The correct term for a surveyor who drops the math on the ground is "deed staker" or "deed plotter" or "button pusher".
The correct term for any licensee who subordinates their professional responsibilities to the goal of making money is "negligent".
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Screw the attorneys.?ÿ That's not surveying and anyone doing that should have their license revoked.?ÿ If the attorneys want to survey, they can get a license themselves.
Amen.
Can we get this on the SurveyorConnect logo?
I lived and worked in New York State for over 20 years. ?ÿWhat ars-mine-surveyor has stated is not true for any surveys I encountered or representative of the work done in the area by the surveyors I knew.
The correct term for a surveyor who drops the math on the ground is "deed staker"
I absolutely detest this form of surveying. It cause more problems than it solves IMO.?ÿ
I??ve done boundary surveys that were used to obtain a mortgage but I??ve never done a mortgage certificate or mortgage survey. ?ÿI was first exposed to that substandard type of work during the brief time I worked in Charlotte. NC. I worked to hard to get my license to let someone else define my work.
"In my part of Upstate New York the record dimensions rule, so we show the monuments refenced to the record."
Please elaborate - in 50+ years of practice I have never heard this. Is there a local court decision that supports this? I have always beleived that record dimensions are pretty much the last resort...
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The only time I can see relying on only the record dimensions is if I were working in a recent subdivision with good control monuments and they??re small lots.?ÿ
I recently picked up and read the Jeff Lucas book, "The Pincushion Effect" and would highly recommend to all surveyors. My views were challenged a bit, but overall I found his arguments to be compelling and backed up with case studies.
One of my biggest takeaways was his trying to make clear the distinction between the 'What' and the 'Where' of a given parcel of land. In a retracement, our job is render an opinion on the 'Where' question, that 'What' is immutable and unchanging.
It's a concept we all learn, but Lucas' book gave me a better understanding and better vocabulary to discuss.
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