Not far enough east for PNNL.?ÿ If it is a data center, they are built like Military but it would need to be on top of the plateau and not at the bottom of the Gorge in case the PNNL let loose it's multicolored and highly energized liquid confetti stream of history.?ÿ I visited there for the tour in 2018.?ÿ Erie, and wicked cool too.
Correctional facility. That would be a good size for a multi use/gender separated/age segregated remote enough to not invoke NIMBY people and laps of security fence. 9 miles wouldnt even scratch the smallest scary areas of the PNNL.?ÿ lol ???? ??? ???? ????ÿ
Or an airport.
I'm slightly amused by speculation... NDA for the project in place so mums the word for now.
I know.?ÿ I'm just speculating and respect the confidentiality.
I just know too much about esoteric crap and its still more fun speculating than studying.
All said, you'll be busy for a while. And thats the best part!
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I've yet to be made a fan of these VRS solutions.?ÿ Almost every time I've worked with a crew that had VRS in their toolbox the thing never lived up to the hype (no or poor connection, not enough stations to get a good correction, etc).?ÿ Personally, I think I'd rather just have a physical base and be guaranteed to be be able to set up and go to work anytime, anywhere.?ÿ Ironically, saying that makes me already feel like a dinosaur and I'm only a few years out of school... ???
Anyway, I was thinking about driving over to an equipment dealer and getting a little education today as well so this thread is especially interesting.?ÿ Keep up the comments!
Go see if they'll give the integrated surveying dog and pony show with the added GIS workflows.
Really make them earn that paycheck!
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@jitterboogie?ÿ Hah!?ÿ Oh, I've seen bits and pieces of lesser demonstrations and I know how going for a sip of water can turn into a blast from a fire hose. ????
VRS is a terrific solution for those users who have little knowledge of geodetic surveying nor any real desire to acquire any. There are more users of that sort than there are professional surveyors.?ÿ ?ÿ
VRS is a terrific solution for those users who have little knowledge of geodetic surveying nor any real desire to acquire any. There are more users of that sort than there are professional surveyors.
Agreed. And it can easily erode what used to be professional-quality work if not used properly. Nowadays, some outfits don't want to allow the crews to run RTK because they might not know how or might screw it up, because all they have done is VRS work and no longer understand the workflow. And if pressed, they can't lay out the benefits and drawbacks to each method...
As @bstrand noted, having the ability to switch to base/rover from VRS is just a fundamental requirement for a crew. But around here, there is a big push to give crews a single rover and just run a network solution, plus a total station. I hate it.
I don't know how to run a VRS.
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I'm pretty sure I was in this area, in the late 90's. We tied about 50 targets for an aerial topo with a static survey and then laid out 12 miles of track from the river at 200' to the top at 1,400' with 2-man total station set up. We did a bunch of small jobs there too. Spent many a night in the Goldendale Motel...
If you haven't already got something set up, the guys at ?ÿ WWW.FRONTIERPRECISION.COM?ÿ are the top of their game; ThomasRoberts?ÿ[email protected]?ÿis the man you want to talk to; you can tell him Dougie sent you...
I'm surprised by the negative views of RTNs.?ÿ I've been using NC's for three years and have had only positive experiences. Granted, it's hard to be completely devoid of cell service here.
Perhaps the problems are due to poor management of RTNs and an inadequate CORS network?
Just out of curiosity, how many of the RTNs are managed by your state geodetic survey department?
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Oh, our VRS is fantastic compared to many other states, especially around the Puget Sound region. Especially with the MSM mountpoints, which are great for newer receivers running all constellations.
My biggest issue with RTNs does not have anything to do with how well they are run, but the fact that they tend to foster complacency and discourage crews from thinking about whether or not they can/should use it, or if project parameters require something different. We work all over the state, and sometimes out of it, assisting other offices.
There are times when base/rover will get better results than the RTN, such as in the eastern parts of WA, where base stations are more spread out and cell service not always great. Or when we really want to nail down that project in the vertical and might want to use it for horizontal only, supplemented by total station and level. And sometimes rover communications get all screwed up and PPK is the way to go. Or static. Or maybe static was the way to go in the first place.
Without the knowledge of the various methods available to them, crews have a tendency to jump out of the truck, flip the network rover on, and start observing shots as fast as they can, not paying attention to that fact that their vectors have precisions of 0.2' x 0.5' because the RTN is weak in that area. Or maybe they used the wrong mountpoint, pulling a single-base solution from 100-200 miles away. There is a tendency to take it as gospel because they have no idea how to cope without it.
True, the above situation is not common, but it happens a lot more often than it should in our profession. RTNs can become a crutch and reduce flexibility, especially at larger organizations that take the "assembly-line" approach to surveying.
We got started this past week.
Surprisingly, tying into provided control, vertical matched +/- 0.02, but horizontal was out by up to 7/100ths. Project is 2.2 miles north/south by 2.1 east/west.
I'll need a repeater, maybe 2.
Beautiful country out there... windmills are about 3800 ft away.
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great time of year to working out there. When My brother moved away from Walla Walla, I lost my default base camp that I always started at either road tripping or flying in for food truck Mondays and wine etc. Bravo on the office fr a good ling while!