Hello all - good morning from humid upstate NY. We are a small firm looking to add to our staff. Curious if anyone has had experience in hiring completely Green employees and utilizing the CST program that NSPS offers.?ÿ
Good morning,
I have no experience with having an employee go through the CST program. While in college it was required of the students to take the CST exam, either level 1 or 2, whichever you felt more comfortable with. I took level 2 field, I believe, but never took it farther than that for a number of reasons.
I do however believe that it is a good way for young green employees to take the path of going through the CST program. We have one employee that we hired off of the street and he did not know a thing about surveying, getting him trained in the field wasn't horrible but the office side is still a work in progress. I may try to push him towards looking at the CST program in the future, which I had not thought of.
I also believe that the best route, may be very hard at times, is trying to get a student from Paul Smith's or Alfred. They have a very good foundation to build on and they usually do not have bad habits that can be hard to get rid of with people that have experience.
I know at the upcoming NYSAPLS conference there will be a seminar on the CST program, which could be worthwhile for young technicians.
I'd rather start from scratch, they don't have bad habits or crappy work ethic that I have to break. The hard part is finding someone willing to learn who will stick around.
When you start from scratch with the right person it's the best of the two options.?ÿ
However someone with experience at least knows what the job entails and has made somewhat of a commitment to it as a career. You may go through a number of green candidates until you find one that "takes" to the job.
Go not to the elves for counsel, for they will say both yes and no
J. R. R. Tolkien
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Personally, I am a CST and my experience has gotten me a LOT further than my CST ever has.
T. Nelson - SAM
A person can have bad habits and poor work ethic without having surveyed before, we stand out in that department but do not have a monopoly on it.?ÿ ??ÿ
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A person can have bad habits and poor work ethic without having surveyed before, we stand out in that department but do not have a monopoly on it.?ÿ ??ÿ
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That can be learned on the job?ÿ
When hiring it's simple. All other things being equal I'm going to hire the one with the CST.?ÿ
I started at a larger company where hiring field hands green was part of the culture. I found field work relatively easy but understanding the bigger picture was a struggle, supplemental education like the CST program or online classes may have helped but what I think would have made the most impact is being involved in some level in the whole process, from research to final product in an incremental and regular way.
I've often thought of using the sample CST exams for the hiring process. Not to eliminate candidates but to guage where to place them. Also, to use them as an incentive for pay inceases.
I'm not a PLS and I've done the level 1, 2, and 3 CST, just renewed my level 3. I think the CST is a great educational tool. I'd encourage anyone to pursue it. It's the difference between being a button pusher and actually understanding why you're doing what you're doing.
CST is fine as a measuring stick, probably for those who aren't on a path to get licensed.?ÿ I'd like to see that someone took all three tests, not just #2 or #3.
That said, it's not a program, it's a set of tests.?ÿ There aren't specific CST classes, just self-study and/or classes you take on your own.
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A lot of states have organized classes, usually through their state or local surveyor's association. We had an in house program at one time but it kind of fell by the wayside.
I agree that one should start with the level one, then 2, then 3, which is what I did. They're all different, both from a difficulty standpoint and in what all they cover. Level 3 was no joke.
I have?ÿlooked at?ÿcompanies who use CST certification as a way to evaluate knowledge levels and commitment. I worked for a company who offered a bonus for passing exams. I think that was a good motivator for people to learn and a valuable incentive to keep their nose to the grindstone. At that time I was doing DOT work and the CST exams were not really very pragmatic or oriented towards the work I was doing, but I felt like I extracted some value. Later, I was glad to receive a higher wage for having that notch on my belt. Some?ÿcompanies?ÿcare and others don't. The one I worked for used CST certified crews in selling our firm when bidding big projests.?ÿThe entire group of field guys I work with now?ÿdon't have any?ÿdegrees or certifications. If you asked any of them, they would scoff at stuff like this to hide insecurities. Majority of these types of guys don't have any ambition or aspirations.?ÿCST is not for Johnny Lunchpail who just wants to?ÿcollect a paycheck and do the minimum.?ÿ?ÿ
In my opinion a totally green guy presented with the normal challenges of field work and the incentive to earn a raise or bonus for studying and passing CST exams could cultivate a?ÿsolid employee?ÿif they embrace those challenges. I don't disagree though the best way to learn is just being on the job and trying to learn from experienced guys willing to share their knowledge and who impose & teach?ÿgood habits.
By the way the applications aren't a joke. They're like a?ÿjob application?ÿand you have to start out level one if you're brand new. 1.5 years is the basis for taking Level II, and that's when they differentiate between the field and office tracks.?ÿI have a Level II exam coming up in a month and the company will pay?ÿfor the test. So I got that going for me, which is nice...(Carl Spackler voice.)
I have over twenty years of surveying experience and two undergraduate degrees and two masters degrees. when I relaunched my surveying careers tow years ago, I did not know where to start from but I thank my boss and the surveyors association for pointing me to the CST. I passed CST and now ready for the fundamentals surveying and the State licensing exam. The materials removed the fog i had about technological advancement.
As old school, I recommend the CST to anyone serious about a career in surveying and cannot afford a college education.
CST is fine as a measuring stick, probably for those who aren't on a path to get licensed.?ÿ I'd like to see that someone took all three tests, not just #2 or #3.
That said, it's not a program, it's a set of tests.?ÿ There aren't specific CST classes, just self-study and/or classes you take on your own.
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Thank you all for your replies! Good mix - employees and principles experiences. I did not realize until now that CST wasn't a program, but a set of tests. Thanks for straightening me out. I had taken some home study courses through the Massachusetts School of Survey back in the late 90s, which where extremely valuable. Curious if there is anything still active like this. Thanks again, guys.