Mylar

Yes to the Mylar in certain areas around here. The black permanent marker thing is new to me, though.

You are referring to filed maps? Yes, California statute requires black on tracing cloth [linen] or polyester base film [mylar] - both for subdivision maps and records of survey. It is ironic that the originals are scanned, and the images printed as copies - but not much different than bluelines back in the day.

We just filed a linen record of survey last week. The Recorder's staff had no issue with it.

Multnomah County, Oregon requires mylar. Multnomah is the county that the City of Portland is in. Thankfully, they have relaxed their need to have only certain types of inks on certain brands of mylar.

On some days I would believe these local county employees would record something scratched on a napkin.........

Most counties in NC still require a mylar with an original signature. I use black permanent marker but I don't believe it is specified in the regs.

I don't provide mylar copies to clients unless they request them.

NC counties vary widely in the quality of their scans. I use it to my advantage by providing what I call a "high quality digital" version of their plat (pdf made directly from Civil 3D) as well as the halfhazardly scanned version taken from the register of deeds. One of the positive consequences of having inept county administrators is it makes me look wicked smart.

Here is a better question: Why do you think our local government; all of government for that matter, why are they so far behind in technology?

my guess; bureaucracy.

RADAR, post: 351323, member: 413 wrote: Here is a better question: Why do you think our local government; all of government for that matter, why are they so far behind in technology?

my guess; bureaucracy.

In my State recording rules are Statutes. Changing a State Statute can take decades...

RADAR, post: 351323, member: 413 wrote: Here is a better question: Why do you think our local government; all of government for that matter, why are they so far behind in technology?

my guess; bureaucracy.

Local county standards here in Oregon are tied to the state archive standards.... and yes, I do believe they are based on federal standards.... we're working on digital submissions.... slowly but surely....

Soooo, I know what mylar is, but what exactly is the purpose behind it (I'm a youngin)? Overlays? I never understood the reason for submitting plans on it.

Sabre970, post: 353733, member: 7481 wrote: Soooo, I know what mylar is, but what exactly is the purpose behind it (I'm a youngin)? Overlays? I never understood the reason for submitting plans on it.

So you can make Blue Prints.

Mylar is dimensionally stable. Most people have no idea that paper changes size based upon humidity - it shrinks and swells. I heard a military person explaining that it was a problem in the South Pacific...

Digital data is not "dimensionally stable" either - ever try to print a PDF file to an exact scale?

In MA the county Registry's require mylar with permanent ink. It can't be washed off and copies well. Plus, as Jim in AZ mentioned, it retains it's shape well.
The Land Court in MA requires that we photo "burn" the drawing into the mylar. There is one company in the state that does this for us, at a fee, of course.

foggyidea, post: 353750, member: 155 wrote: The Land Court in MA requires that we photo "burn" the drawing into the mylar....

YIKES: don't they know that they can buy a machine that will scan a paper copy for them? Or better yet; a requirement that all copies are submitted electronically?

New Jersey's requirements:

[INDENT=1]46:26A-5 d. To be accepted for recording, a map shall be clearly and legibly drawn in black ink on
translucent tracing cloth, translucent mylars at least 4 mils thick or its equivalent, of good
quality, with signatures in ink, or as an equivalent reproduction on photographic fixed line
mylar 4 mils thick with signatures in black ink or its equivalent and accompanied by a cloth [/INDENT]
[INDENT=1]print or photographic fixed line mylar 4 mils thick duplicate; and one of six standard sizes: 8
1/2" x 13", 30" x 42", 24" x 36", 11" x 17", 18" x 24" or 15" x 21" as measured from cutting
edges. If one sheet is not of sufficient size to contain the entire territory, the map may be
divided into sections to be shown on separate sheets of equal sizes, with references on each
sheet to the adjoining sheets. [/INDENT]

Most Counties in Oregon accept paper copies, though some are as thick as cardboard. Some will accept paper for Plats, but require mylar for boundary surveys, and vice versa. And then there are the cities that require as-builts on mylar or vellum. Oregon Statute allows digital signatures, but I don't know of a County that allows final documents to be submitted that way. Soon, I hope.

I had a buddy once who had his business cards printed on mylar. He would use it all sorts of ways. Line in the bar he would challenge the bar tender to tear it in half with his bare hands. Won many drinks with that one. Cute women could tear in up or call him...., I don't think that worked too often.
There are a few places around here that still require mylar documents, mainly because of outdated ordinances or rules. It was required because the copy process was not permanent enough and the original had to be retained. That evolved to the photo mylar process where the image was "burned" into the mat, requiring a two-step chemical process to edit. Ink from my seal never did dry very well on mylar. I had to spray a fixative on it and any signatures before recording because the recorder used to rub a piece of paper over the drawing and if any ink came off it was rejected. Not something you wanted to happen as the end of a long platting process.

Cheers,

Daniel Ralph, post: 353855, member: 8817 wrote: I had a buddy once who had his business cards printed on mylar. He would use it all sorts of ways. Line in the bar he would challenge the bar tender to tear it in half with his bare hands. Won many drinks with that one. Cute women could tear in up or call him...., I don't think that worked too often.
There are a few places around here that still require mylar documents, mainly because of outdated ordinances or rules. It was required because the copy process was not permanent enough and the original had to be retained. That evolved to the photo mylar process where the image was "burned" into the mat, requiring a two-step chemical process to edit. Ink from my seal never did dry very well on mylar. I had to spray a fixative on it and any signatures before recording because the recorder used to rub a piece of paper over the drawing and if any ink came off it was rejected. Not something you wanted to happen as the end of a long platting process.

Cheers,

"There are a few places around here that still require mylar documents, mainly because of outdated ordinances or rules."

What is "outdated" about the requirement? There is still no better option I'm aware of...

Staedtler permanent Lumocolor pens work perfectly...

British Columbia has been fully Digital for submissions for several years now. All plans, recording documents etc are submitted as PDFs with the digital signature of the surveyor attached.

I could count the number of mylars printed in the last five years on my fingers, and we haven't used vellum at all.

Jim in AZ, post: 353887, member: 249 wrote: There is still no better option I'm aware of...

Are you serious?

How about clicking the send button on an app...

I could see your point if the only option was to run these dinosaurs through a blue line machine. The last time I saw one of those was in a museum.