something more substantial than a PK nail?
My residential customers would not generally like to spend an additional $300 to get a brass mon, but we all have different needs. I have found nails that are older than I am, so I would say that the key is to use appropriate materials depending on the location.
@aliquot by "loyalty" I mean that I am working for my client and not the public at large. My "loyalty" to my client will in no way alter the findings of facts and evidence that are used resolve any survey that I do.
People are overlooking the fact that there is, in fact, client confidentiality involved too.
Local regulations are a minimum of 1-1/2” metal caps on 5/8”x24” rebar for all Lot corners, minimum 2” for exterior boundary corners. Metal stem caps allowed for rock or concrete. No plastic caps allowed. Lot# to be stamped on caps. I use 2”for boundary and Lot corners.
something more substantial than a PK nail?
My residential customers would not generally like to spend an additional $300 to get a brass mon, but we all have different needs. I have found nails that are older than I am, so I would say that the key is to use appropriate materials depending on the location.
And I have found a penny in the spot it was dropped 100 years ago... or did a wondering toddler, or bird pick it up and move it?
You are buying your monuments at the wrong place if you are paying $300 for a "brass mon"...there are of course many options between a nail and the most expensive monument..
And I have found a penny in the spot it was dropped 100 years ago... or did a wondering toddler, or bird pick it up and move it?
You are buying your monuments at the wrong place if you are paying $300 for a "brass mon"...there are of course many options between a nail and the most expensive monument..
Tell me how it costs less than $300 for a mon to be properly set when you pay $50 for a brass mon and etc etc for the materials, plus $250 an hour for a field crew?
All this talk about setting PK nails has me baffled, since Parker-Krylon nails haven't been made since the mid 2000s. Did you all hoard entire cases of PK nails, or are you too set in your ways to call a MAG nail a MAG nail?!
Just a friendly ribbing from a fellow perfectionist. No feelings were purposely meant to be hurt with my smart-ass comment.
All this talk about setting PK nails has me baffled, since Parker-K(a)lon nails haven't been made since the mid 2000s.
No joke. I tell my people that the distinction between a PK and a MAG is important, because an actual PK is, most likely, at least 20 years old. And no MAG can be older than that. I'm quite serious about this.
Tell me how it costs less than $300 for a mon to be properly set when you pay $50 for a brass mon and etc etc for the materials, plus $250 an hour for a field crew?
Certainly not cheap, but you are engaging in hyperbole. Brass monuments are not $50. Granted, add in a bag or 2 of concrete and some scrap iron..... But still...I'm hoping that a $250/hr crew can set one in well under an hour. Maybe 20 minutes with a little practice.
I set about 50-75 of these each year:
Takes about 5 minutes each. Much easier to find than MAG nails and last a lot longer. In spots where those aren't appropriate I use 1/2"x 24" rebar w/plastic cap. Maybe 30-50 of those each year.
I do also use MAGs, but for temporary "fly points". As in I don't count on them still being there in the spring.
No matter what you set the lions share of the cost is in the measurements. I like to set stuff for the long run.
And I have found a penny in the spot it was dropped 100 years ago... or did a wondering toddler, or bird pick it up and move it?
You are buying your monuments at the wrong place if you are paying $300 for a "brass mon"...there are of course many options between a nail and the most expensive monument..
Tell me how it costs less than $300 for a mon to be properly set when you pay $50 for a brass mon and etc etc for the materials, plus $250 an hour for a field crew?
Norman Oklahoma explained well, but more importantly setting nails for corners is an almost perfect example of being penny wise and pound foolish.
If I paid thousands of dollars for a survey I would be pretty peaved to have to pay that again because my entire investment relied on a nail being a stable marker.
Certainly not cheap, but you are engaging in hyperbole.
Who? ME?
my entire investment relied on a nail being a stable marker.
That might be hyperbole as well. And there are nails and then there are nails. But, the preference is to drive a rebar in any case.
That (disclaimer) has got to be some non-recording state nonsense. I can't even render an opinion on the disclaimer when I think the idea of not recording surveys is already ridiculous.
The topo angle is interesting though. If I record a topo for some reason I can actually be sued if the contours (for example) no longer represent conditions on the ground? What is the statute of limitations on a topo? An hour? A day? A week? A month? A year? Infinity? How much of a difference does there have to be before it's no longer considered "accurate"?
I recorded a boundary survey a couple weeks ago where I showed some fence lines. If someone tears down these fences can I be sued for having stamped a map that no longer reflects conditions on the ground?
I do believe this example is from a heavily regulated recording state.
Washington, or at least I’ve heard on this board it is.
By the way what is a non-recording state?
As far as I know surveys are recorded in every state.
Every state has mandatory recording rules as far as I know.
Every state probably has mandatory recording of new large subdivisions. There have been a lot of comments over the years here about states thet do not require or even encourage recording surveys of individual tracts.
Mandatory recording of all boundary surveys, not just plats. Geez, was it really that difficult to grasp what I was getting at?
You survey an existing tract and find all monuments in place and matching record and you have to record that survey?
You survey an existing tract and find all monuments in place and matching record and you have to record that survey?
Yes, that should be required.
Next question.