I do have experience with such adventures, but it's been a long time now. The gals that were working at Sid King's Crazy Horse Bar on Colfax in Denver in 1978 have been drawing Social Security checks for a long time now. BTW, that particular location is where they filmed parts of Every Which Way But Loose (1978) starring Clint Eastwood and Sondra Locke plus their big buddy, Clyde. That was where Sondra was employed.
Joe the Surveyor, post: 427405, member: 118 wrote: Well, I am sure some attorney would argue this under #8.
Substantial features observed in the process of conducting the fieldwork (in addition to
the improvements and features required pursuant to Section 5 above) (e.g., parking lots,
billboards, signs, swimming pools, landscaped areas, substantial areas of refuse)
down here, we consider "substantial areas of refuse" a dump or an area where people are dumping illegally. Its on private property, not the one surveyed, so a note would cover it. What happens when the garbage man empties it and throws it 10 feet in any direction? does that constitute an encroachment? Like Cow said, do you locate political signs? Do you have title for that property and is there an easement for an agreed upon area for these cans to be?
Maybe a special exhibit, not part of the Survey Plat you are creating, showing the trash cans lined up and a note of what it looked like on that date, since it could change the next day, if you think it might be important.
I can see that eventually a dumpster will be placed by the haulers to facilitate trash dumping. Then that will be considered unsightly by the powers that be and some enclosure will have to be constructed to hide the dumpster.
That is what happens here. All dumpsters must be enclosed so the public doesn't see them.
Alta & HUD topo surveys must be extended 30' from property line.
I wouldn't show them but may note the sighting just as a "in case you need to know" type of situation.
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I would not show the bins, but I would show a clouded area with a note. It's not about the things as they are portable, it's about the use...
Replace the bins with a group of some citizens (say Hare Krishna types) who seem to have decided this is a wonderful place to do what they do in public places. They are there when you show up and they are still there when you leave. Maybe there's a street vendor also. Does this situation make it onto your ALTA plat?
Shawn Billings, post: 427520, member: 6521 wrote: I would not show the bins, but I would show a clouded area with a note. It's not about the things as they are portable, it's about the use...
I didnt think that anyone was suggesting that the trash bins & items be depicted. That is a bit ludicrous.
But a shaded or clouded area detailing an apparent public refuse or trash collection area would be informative.
PLS30820, post: 427467, member: 1439 wrote: down here, we consider "substantial areas of refuse" a dump or an area where people are dumping illegally. Its on private property, not the one surveyed, so a note would cover it. What happens when the garbage man empties it and throws it 10 feet in any direction? does that constitute an encroachment? Like Cow said, do you locate political signs? Do you have title for that property and is there an easement for an agreed upon area for these cans to be?
All true, however you know how attorneys are:).
Holy Cow, post: 427545, member: 50 wrote: Replace the bins with a group of some citizens (say Hare Krishna types) who seem to have decided this is a wonderful place to do what they do in public places. They are there when you show up and they are still there when you leave. Maybe there's a street vendor also. Does this situation make it onto your ALTA plat?
Street vendor, absolutely.
At least that garbage site appears well attended, there is very little debris lying around.
Locally, any neighbor hood with that many trash cans would be upgraded to a dumpster for and those can get rank very fast.
Personally, I would not want that at the end of my driveway and would quickly be calling city hall or my county precinct and be asking "why me" and if that is some designated spot and if it could be moved.
Be it a designated area, that I would show on my drawing and state the source of the information.
I would not even consider showing them...
I'd show it because the regional customs affect the land. To me, the test might be, "Wouldn't you like to know that if you were buying it?"
We don't show any feature that's specifically designed to be moved. I don't show parked cars on a Road topo.
Equivocator, post: 427705, member: 6885 wrote: We don't show any feature that's specifically designed to be moved. I don't show parked cars on a Road topo.
No one talking about showing the physical items, only the detail that this area is used for trash collection. Apparently.
When you do an ALTA and you depict a handicap parking area, you show the spaces but not the car.
If you are doing traffic lanes and there is a designated bus stop, you depict the bus zone.
Yes the bins/cans are moveable and can be impermanent in nature but the area is being used by others for trash collection.
Many years ago early in my survey life, I met with a fairly successful older surveyor. I didn't care much for his style and the way that he practiced surveying not that he was incompetent at all. Just different point of views. But I listened as he discussed his surveying life and learned a real gem of advice from him. Besides establishing boundary lines, he considered that providing information to the client enabled him to become very successful. The more info that he provided, the more money he made.
Robert Hill, post: 427710, member: 378 wrote: When you do an ALTA and you depict a handicap parking area
If there was a defined area for the bins like there is for a marked parking space or Bus zone, or even a gravel patch which separated it as a feature, I would show it. In other scenarios (was once case with mounds of green waste) I've notified the client, but not included it on the plan as it's not a fixture.
It would all depend on the intent and use of the survey.
RADAR, post: 427356, member: 413 wrote: Let's say your doing an ALTA survey on a vacant piece of residential property on a private road. This property is at the beginning of the road where it connects to the public road. Everyone living along the road (15 households) keep their garbage and recycling containers in front of this lot. The big trucks won't go down this road, there's no place to turn around...
Would this be something you'd show on your ALTA survey?
Would you show it if you weren't doing an ALTA, just a topo/record of survey?
Thanks for all of your comments...
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Dougie
I note the following from Doug's description and photo:
".....a vacant piece of residential property on a private road." This means someone is probably thinking about developing the lot. This condition of having those containers there could indicate some sort of proscriptive right or easement. It could also mean that a prospective owner might not want to purchase a lot with a garbage collection site right in front.
"This property is at the beginning of the road where it connects to the public road." This could create problems of access for the surrounding property owners.
"Everyone living along the road (15 households) keep their garbage and recycling containers in front of this lot." This means everyone is coming to this spot from somewhere else......how do they get there? How do they turn around? Also, it looks pretty organized, and has probably been going on for a period of time. Who can tell what claims might be made once the new owner announces his plans for development?
"The big trucks won't go down this road, there's no place to turn around." Again, possible access issue regarding the other homeowners.
Question 1: What is the downside of showing where these things are and describing them in a clouded area, or in a note on the survey?
Question 2: What is the downside of not showing them, and finding out that there may be some sort of issue later?