I am in Florida as well. I have red witness caps that I use for off sets. I might also put chiseled straddlers on the rim of the manhole, note it all on your survey.
Looks like two Surveyors already pincushion this storm manhole lid.
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@ Allen Wrench
When your drawing is mentioned as an attachment in your property description and your drawing mentions the attached property description and to staple them together bonds them into one document that gets used and recorded together.
That basically expresses your intent for the use of your product.
Hopefully the client, attorney and title company will do that.
Allen- Others may be able to give you a better definition as I am not in a recording state but to me it means your survey becomes part of public record and anyone can access it.
How does it become part of the record though??ÿ Do you have to always file some kind of drawing that goes along with your field work?
In California certain boundary surveys require a filed survey Plat.?ÿ There are two types, Record of Survey map and a Corner Record.?ÿ Both are filed with the County Surveyor for review.?ÿ The Corner Record is filed in the office of the County Surveyor.?ÿ Record of Survey map, once final, are filed with the County Recorder.
The quality of Surveying would go up ten fold if Surveyors here thought every morning an intern at Dept of Agriculture would pull up newly recorded surveys looking for violations.?ÿ
Over the last few years of foreclosure inventory churning the residential survey market, i've gotten pretty good at determining how many weeks ago someone surveyed the property I am about to survey again, by reading the rust on the existing wire flag.?ÿ
My 2 cents about Florida becoming a Recording State stops at 2, for now.?ÿ
Take a page out of Kent's book. Put an aluminum cap on the rod and letter the offset information into it. That probably won't stop some fence builder from mistaking it for the corner, but at least it will tell a future surveyor what you intended.?ÿ
I've worked most of my career in recording states but also spent time in the non-recording wilds of Oklahoma.?ÿ I'll take the recording anytime. Although I will admit to cursing at the $432 filing fee and the county surveyor anal exam.
Had 4 set last week, local practice dictates true corners set with duly identifiable yellow caps/brass disks, for witness corners caps/disks are red with REF. PT. added to the cap/disk.?ÿ I always set them at an even foot offset online in both directions. What a wondrous thing it must be to work in a state where you could go to the courthouse and get copies of all of the surveys performed in a given area....."QUIT DAYDREAMING BOY get back to work!"
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Come to my area and you will find 150 years of surveys available to help the next surveyor. ?ÿFirst stop for any survey project is at the county records. ?ÿWandering around blind is pure foolishness.
Lots of great suggestions here.?ÿ I personally would go with witness corners at some even foot offset with a large cap and all the explanation you can fit on it.?ÿ I would also cut or chisel the lines on the manhole rim.
Here's another thought:?ÿ if the fence builders are scheduled in the near future, TALK to the landowners, the fencers and the entity that owns or maintains the storm drain about what they are planning, then stake accordingly with lots of explanatory lath left behind.?ÿ The storm drain owners/maintainers would likely desire having any fence placed far enough away from the manhole to allow reasonable access.
Perhaps I misunderstand the intent of the survey, but fence builders were mentioned.
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My first thought was, why is there a manhole at the lot corner??ÿ Must be an easement, I guess.?ÿ Otherwise, it'd be an encroachment, something that should be in the ROW.?ÿ
In this case, isn't a call to the manhole sufficient??ÿ If it lands on the rim, put an X.?ÿ If somewhere in the cover, set X's on line where the lot lines cross the rim.?ÿ I'd think those would be so close that even if the fence guys mistook one of the X's to be the corner, it wouldn't cause a problem.
That said, I've set a couple offset monuments over the years, and wish I'd used the stamped cap with arrow method.
But, ultimately, if you provide the client/land owner with the plan showing the offset, then you've done your job, and while it's unfortunate if these mistakes happen, it's not on you.?ÿ You can recommend they record it, but if they decide not to, how is that your fault?
Come to my area and you will find 150 years of surveys available to help the next surveyor. ?ÿFirst stop for any survey project is at the county records. ?ÿWandering around blind is pure foolishness.
If you know how to research deeds, then you do not need to pull every survey that was done in the area. Are you Surveying or just copying and pasting all the Surveys in the area?
Sure, you don't need every survey that's been done in the area, just the critical ones.?ÿ But how do you know which ones those are till you see them?
If you know how to research deeds, then you do not need to pull every survey that was done in the area. Are you Surveying or just copying and pasting all the Surveys in the area?
Oh, I think that I know how to research deeds alright. That is still part of every boundary job in a recording environment. OK, so you manage to get along without survey records. Still, how can it not be better to have more information??ÿ ?ÿ
I agree having more information is better. What is to stop someone from going to the courthouse, picking up a copy of the Survey on file, and costing a Surveyor a job??ÿ
I agree having more information is better. What is to stop someone from going to the courthouse, picking up a copy of the Survey on file, and costing a Surveyor a job??ÿ
I don't know if I understand that??ÿ If a landowner just wants a copy of the survey/plan for their land, I don't see a problem with them going to get one.?ÿ It's not really costing any surveyor a job.
If they're looking to develop or do something else with their land, then whether they pick up the plan or not, they'll most likely need a surveyor.
I agree having more information is better. What is to stop someone from going to the courthouse, picking up a copy of the Survey on file, and costing a Surveyor a job??ÿ
If an existing survey suites the purpose a new survey isn't required. Do you think we should base our profession on providing services that aren't needed?
When an attorney litigates a boundary the decision is a pubic record in every state (I assume). Attorneys don't make a living re litigating the same issue for every new owner.?ÿ
I haven't done a study, but I have observed land surveyor's fees to be much higher in recording states versus non recording states. This makes sense?ÿ to me, because a recorded survey is a more valuable product.?ÿ It is permanently a part of the public record and is applicable to all the adjoiners. Sure, there still can be boundary disputes, but there is much higher bar to overcome when a long standing surveyor's opinion is available to all parties.?ÿ
I do, however, think some state's requirements for surveys to be checked by a government official and the fees associated with that to be overkill. Mandatory recording does not necessarily mean mandatory checks on your work or any fees besides basic recording fees.?ÿ ?ÿ
I agree having more information is better. What is to stop someone from going to the courthouse, picking up a copy of the Survey on file, and costing a Surveyor a job??ÿ
There you have it. The purpose of laws generally is to serve the public, not a certain protected class of individuals.?ÿ
I haven't done a study, but I have observed land surveyor's fees to be much higher in recording states versus non recording states. This makes sense?ÿ to me, because a recorded survey is a more valuable product.?ÿ It is permanently a part of the public record and is applicable to all the adjoiners. Sure, there still can be boundary disputes, but there is much higher bar to overcome when a long standing surveyor's opinion is available to all parties.?ÿ
I'm not sure which comes first - higher property values, higher quality surveys, higher fees for surveys, or recording laws. But it seems certain to me that those things are found together.?ÿ?ÿ
I agree having more information is better. What is to stop someone from going to the courthouse, picking up a copy of the Survey on file, and costing a Surveyor a job??ÿ
I don't know if I understand that??ÿ If a landowner just wants a copy of the survey/plan for their land, I don't see a problem with them going to get one.?ÿ It's not really costing any surveyor a job.
If they're looking to develop or do something else with their land, then whether they pick up the plan or not, they'll most likely need a surveyor.
If I did a Survey for the current landowner and they can not find their Survey, I print them out a out most of the time for free. If I Survey the tract and if the tract has been sold a couple of times since I did the Survey, I say I need to resurvey the tract and give them a price. In a recording state it's possible that they can just reused a Survey over and over again.
In Texas no one is saying you can not file the Survey at the courthouse, majority of the time the legal description is filed at the courthouse, most of the time the survey sketch is not. However both can be recorded.?ÿ
I agree having more information is better. What is to stop someone from going to the courthouse, picking up a copy of the Survey on file, and costing a Surveyor a job??ÿ
If an existing survey suites the purpose a new survey isn't required. Do you think we should base our profession on providing services that aren't needed?
When an attorney litigates a boundary the decision is a pubic record in every state (I assume). Attorneys don't make a living re litigating the same issue for every new owner.?ÿ
I haven't done a study, but I have observed land surveyor's fees to be much higher in recording states versus non recording states. This makes sense?ÿ to me, because a recorded survey is a more valuable product.?ÿ It is permanently a part of the public record and is applicable to all the adjoiners. Sure, there still can be boundary disputes, but there is much higher bar to overcome when a long standing surveyor's opinion is available to all parties.?ÿ
I do, however, think some state's requirements for surveys to be checked by a government official and the fees associated with that to be overkill. Mandatory recording does not necessarily mean mandatory checks on your work or any fees besides basic recording fees.?ÿ ?ÿ
I never said we should provide services that are not needed, however how many of us were doing a Survey or finished one, then the clients calls to cancel and say never mind I found a copy of the Survey?
Not all court cases are made to the public, some are sealed.?ÿ