A prism pole could be considered a deadly weapon also. I have used it to run off unruly dogs and figure I could run it right thru the gut of an attacker.
Joel S, post: 367418, member: 380 wrote: I wonder how long before items like baseball bats and axes are put in the same category? Any New Yorkers have input on this.
The assembly bill excludes it in certain circumstances if you are not a U.S. citizen. Weird, ,migrant farm workers?. But the reason it all came up was gang related in NYC area where they tried to use assault with a deadly weapon charge but court would not allow. Gangbanger's hacking people up and had to go with a lesser charge, lesser jail time.
Already things like numbchucks are on the list; my son was training with them and we found out.
NY and especially NYC has some of the toughest gun laws; so people improvise.
From NYSAPLS legal counsel:
"the legislation is still aimed at adding a machete to the list of weapons that, if possessed for the purpose of harming another, could result in an individual being charged with possession of a deadly weapon. A surveyor, or any individual possessing a machete for use as a tool in their profession (or yardwork, etc.) would not be affected by the legislation. Also, if it is helpful for members to know, the bill that passed is a Senate-only bill; there is a bill in the Assembly that has been moving through committee but it is not the same as the Senate bill and so is not matched up as a ÛÏsame as.Û The Assembly bill is similar to the original senate bill, which adds machete to the definition of a deadly weapon. Again, there should be no issue for land surveyors or others using a machete as a tool
Only in NY
Jim
here is another deadly weapon soon to be banned nation wide
I started using these 30 years ago, I no longer have any machetes
I much prefer the reverse style.
Law baffles me. If someone attacks another person and injures them, why does it matter how their tool/weapon was classified?
[sarcasm]That's simple.... the person isn't as dead if clobbered over the head with a baseball bat rather than a machette.....[/sarcasm]
John, post: 367603, member: 791 wrote: [sarcasm]That's simple.... the person isn't as dead if clobbered over the head with a baseball bat rather than a machette.....[/sarcasm]
Your lawyer wants you to keep a glove in the car with your bat, and a surveyor in the car with your machete:)
Duane Frymire, post: 367608, member: 110 wrote: Your lawyer wants you to keep a glove in the car with your bat, and a surveyor in the car with your machete:)
Years ago, I used to keep an axe in the trunk of my car. Occasionally, someone would see it and ask why. My stock response was that if I kept the axe anywhere near my computer.......
People seemed to understand for some reason....
Bill93, post: 367588, member: 87 wrote: Law baffles me. If someone attacks another person and injures them, why does it matter how their tool/weapon was classified?
it is a political decision. they want to exceed the normal penalties... the OMG! factor
courts establish lists that are generally adhered to...
all crimes fall on a list giving min and max penalties, and/or monetary compensation/fines.
that list also effects booking as a misdemeanor or felony, bail amounts, etc. (booking records Never disappear)
And people wonder why I stay at home or go out into the forest and rarely am seen in between.
[sarcasm]Revenuers are everywhere just waiting to take us in..........[/sarcasm]
I can use an axe, no problem. But something about a machete just hurts specially mowing light brush where there is little resistance. Loppers work fine for me, just get down under and cut once instead of fifty times.
John, post: 367431, member: 791 wrote: Coming in our lifetimes: living in caves with no fire because everything has been outlawed.....
No caves. You may displace a family of bears. Will need to file an Environmental Impact Report in order to receive a Cave Occupancy Variance.
Bill93, post: 367588, member: 87 wrote: Law baffles me. If someone attacks another person and injures them, why does it matter how their tool/weapon was classified?
The designation of the weapon can work either of two opposite ways, depending upon who the accused is and who the victim is. In one case, the accused can be portrayed as some sort of crazed wacko who chose a particular weapon to create maximum carnage, instill a higher level of fear, or some other manner of sensationalism that is usually used to argue why a particular weapon or tool should be more difficult for everybody to obtain.
In the opposite case, if the media or the defense lawyer wants to create sympathy for the accused, they can play on the ignorance of the jury or of the general media consuming population by blaming the weapon or tool used. [sarcasm]As many are acutely aware, guns just "go off", and a redneck with a chainsaw or machete is a serial killer just waiting for some random stimulus to put him into a killing spree, while a minor who kills another would have never even considered such a thing if it weren't for the ready access to guns, machetes, etc.[/sarcasm]
Don't tell anyone, but I regularly carry an assault pencil and at least one assault pen. I also carry a 1 1/2" wide leather garrote with a metal ring at one end. Everyone thinks it's just to hold my pants up. There is another metal ring in my pocket with several pieces of metal attached to it. That thing can be used as an eye gouge, a throwing star with free moving points, or to open various doors and padlocks. Why, I'm just a walking arsenal of deadly weapons.
