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John Giles, post: 335314, member: 57 wrote: I was looking at the Geomax zoom 80. It looks like a Leica 1200 and priced right. I've never used one though.
Leica and geomax come out of the same factory, and for the most part are functionally identical, unless you get deep into the onboard software. Hexagon owns both Leica and geomax.
Carlson guns are also the same, but the software is completely different.
While we are on the subject, topcon and sokkia are now the same company (since 2008ish?), and while there may be a few slight differences between the two platforms, they are 95% complete in streamlining the two into identical units.
Trimble owns spectra precision, but keeps the two completely incompatible with each other.
"Trimble owns spectra precision, but keeps the two completely incompatible with each other."
This is incorrect. You can operate any Trimble Robot with Spectra Precision Survey Pro, you can also run most Trimble GPS with Survey Pro as well (excluding the R10). Trimble Access will only run Trimble Robots and GPS.
Johan Telle, post: 317406, member: 9870 wrote: SOKKIA makes the best robotic total stations. I think that Sokia is the best in terms of instrument accuracy and user experience (user interface / software). I have been working with a few products from this manufacturer and I must say that I am 100% satisfied.
Few things I would like to mention:
* SOKKIA is compatible with all surveying / engineering software packages
* Intuitive user interface
* Software is very easy to understand
* It is very easy to download and process all raw data
* Editing the raw data does not present a challenge (as with some other brands)
* It is very easy to transfer the files to Auto-CADOverall, I am SOKIA fan.
Have used them all & I agree 190%
BergerJ, post: 318948, member: 9830 wrote: > Yesterday, I had an opportunity to test both Leica TS15 and Trimble S8. Here are my observations:
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> Leica seems to be slightly better in terms of accuracy, but Trimble S8 was much more productive. Some general measurements were completed much faster using S8.
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- Reliability: Leica wins. I got to this conclusion by taking into account the following aspects ÛÒ operating temperatures, materials, various distances (performance of both total stations in terms of shooting different angles of incidence, both horizontal and vertical).
>- Accuracy: Leica TS15 wins, but it is a really close call. Hard to say really. For some surveys with tight tolerances Leica seems to perform much better. I have done same sets of angles. Leica's results indicate smaller discrepancies in each set of tests. Trimble S8 had slightly bigger discrepancies.
>- On-board software: Trimble is much more competitive in this area. Trimble was much better at locking, tracking capability, reaquisition and ease of use. Solid win.
>- Operating cost: Well general tasks are completed much quicker using S8, hence it is reasonable to assume that Trimble S8 would be much more cost efficient to use. Using Leica TS15 would consume more time for the same tasks.
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> Overall, I prefer Sokia instruments as I have written previously, but it was quite an interesting experience to compare both Leica TS15 and Trimble S8.Johan, lots of useful info. Thanks for the post.
Just curious, what are you running for robotic?
Currently have a SRX-5, SX-103T & a DX-201AC+(robotic upgrade) all run by Carlson Surveyor2's with SurvCE 4.07. We also have a Focus30-3" with SurvCE & SurveyPro on a Ranger3 as well as a Trimble 5603 run by SurveyPro on a TSC2. Over the last few years we've rented several S6's, an S8 & an S3 for several week stints. Sokkia is the best overall performer to date. The fact that the gun remains functional (measurments, HA set ect..) & displays data even when running robotic has become almost a necessity to me, makes life much easier especially when on a construction site. Trimble products seriously lack in this respect. Leica is second choice behind Sokkia, ran them for many years.
Luke J. Crawford, post: 364488, member: 11382 wrote: Just curious, what are you running for robotic?
Currently have a SRX-5, SX-103T & a DX-201AC+(robotic upgrade) all run by Carlson Surveyor2's with SurvCE 4.07. We also have a Focus30-3" with SurvCE & SurveyPro on a Ranger3 as well as a Trimble 5603 run by SurveyPro on a TSC2. Over the last few years we've rented several S6's, an S8 & an S3 for several week stints. Sokkia is the best overall performer to date. The fact that the gun remains functional (measurments, HA set ect..) & displays data even when running robotic has become almost a necessity to me, makes life much easier especially when on a construction site. Trimble products seriously lack in this respect. Leica is second choice behind Sokkia, ran them for many years.
I have a question for you since you have both a focus running survey pro and robots running Carleson.
I have a focus and when in tracking mode, it takes a split second to record the shot. When I click enter, about a half second later the shot is taken and done.
However I tested the leica ts12 running on the Carleson collector with survce and when you click to take a shot it took considerably longer to actually store the shot. A little status bar came on screen and zipped across before the description box came up.
Is this delay due to the older model leica or is this the Carleson software?
Will getting a newer model, the ts15, reduce this time while still using survce? If so good. If not then I'm sticking with the Focus.
I have a Spectra Precision Focus 30 with a Ranger 3 running Survey Pro. I have been very satisfied and the price compared to an S6 is worth looking at.
Rich., post: 365334, member: 10450 wrote: I have a question for you since you have both a focus running survey pro and robots running Carleson.
I have a focus and when in tracking mode, it takes a split second to record the shot. When I click enter, about a half second later the shot is taken and done.
However I tested the leica ts12 running on the Carleson collector with survce and when you click to take a shot it took considerably longer to actually store the shot. A little status bar came on screen and zipped across before the description box came up.
Is this delay due to the older model leica or is this the Carleson software?
Will getting a newer model, the ts15, reduce this time while still using survce? If so good. If not then I'm sticking with the Focus.[/QUOTE
The Sokkia/Carlson was slower than Focus/Carlson or Focus/Spectra until we upgraded from SurvCE 4.03 to 4.07. They are now close enough to not even notice. From what I've experienced & have been told by the Carlson rep as well as the Leica rep was that it was all in the BT communications, they couldn't match the 2.4g radio of the Focus/Ranger3. Basically, something in the Carlson programming allowed the cache to get jammed up with data packets, I usually had to restart the collectors @ lunch time because they'd basically freeze. Leica will be much better than the Focus I suspect.
Luke J. Crawford, post: 365357, member: 11382 wrote:
Our Focus shoots instantly with either the SurvCE or SurveyPro, as do the Sokkia's. Maybe a radio issue?
Luke J. Crawford, post: 370249, member: 11382 wrote: Our Focus shoots instantly with either the SurvCE or SurveyPro, as do the Sokkia's. Maybe a radio issue?
Not sure. Shoots instantly with SP but seems that it takes a second or two in CE. I feel in ce it isn't constantly in 'tracking mode' like it is in SP and when you take a shot it begins measuring when you click take shot. I'm not sure if there is a way to get it into a similar mode to tracking where it is always measuring in real time.
EDM mode in track or rapid & tracking engaged on Store Points should be the ticket.
We have a Focus 30, Ranger 3 also running Survey Pro. Has worked well for the past 4 years, had some minor software issues and problems with the focusing motors. Don't forget to account for yearly maintenance which costs us about $1100 plus the rental of a replacement instrument.
The Survey Pro software is good, easy for a trainee to learn. I'm using the Carlson Survey and it is miles ahead of AutoCAD 2013 for surveying use.
Latest thing I'm trying to learn is how to convert a .dwg file into the files needed for a Topcon machine control GPS, but that's a topic for another post.
I'm going to fire this old one up here, so bear w/me. I'm thinking it might be time to upgrade as my rover pole took a spill the other day and the RC-II cracked when it hit the pavement. Still works (whoever on here said Topcon keeps going and going isn't joking). Anyhow, I've ONLY ever used a Topcon 8003 and, for the most part, I liked it. It has its quirks but it does pretty well in all honesty.
My major question is, we are using all Carlson field and office software. While I know their software will run most anything, I have been told it pairs better with certain instruments than it does others. I see this at times with my current setup, but it's not anything that really slows me down, just the occasional hiccup. Has anyone used Carlson's CR series total station? They look like the Geomax ones I've seen. While Topcon technically doesn't have an active target, the RC-II is a lifesaver. I ran out of batteries on the RC-II one time, and while I was able to finish my job, I can tell you, I missed the RC-II Quicklock big time! I like the active target of the Trimbles, but I've never used them, and from what I've been told they are picky about 3rd party software (is this true?). I'm thinking of scheduling a demo here soon, so we'll see how it goes. I'd like not to have a huge learning curve if I can help it.
I guess what I'm beating around the bush about is the targeting. Most all of the new robots look fast, sleek and I'm sure they measure good, but I'm interested in the targeting procedures for when you lose lock etc. I'd really like to hear everyone's opinion on that part about the robotic TS's they've referenced in this thread. Thanks!
I love Carlson's field software, unfortunately I will not run the Trimble instruments. I was running a Topcon 9003 with TopSurv software (hated it), switched to Carlson's Survce and ran it for four more years with pretty good success. I made the jump to a Trimble S6 with active tracking and switched to Trimble's Access software on a Yuma tablet. SurvCE is more user friendly but you couldn't pry the S6/Access combo from my hands. I got good at keeping the Topcon locked and good with using the RC-III to regain lock, but with the Trimble and active track I don't worry about the robot chasing ghosts and squirrels. It just tracks and when the obstacle to too large to track through, the GPS search puts it back on target a lot easier than the RC-III ever did.
Stephen Ward, post: 434327, member: 1206 wrote: I love Carlson's field software, unfortunately I will not run the Trimble instruments. I was running a Topcon 9003 with TopSurv software (hated it), switched to Carlson's Survce and ran it for four more years with pretty good success. I made the jump to a Trimble S6 with active tracking and switched to Trimble's Access software on a Yuma tablet. SurvCE is more user friendly but you couldn't pry the S6/Access combo from my hands. I got good at keeping the Topcon locked and good with using the RC-III to regain lock, but with the Trimble and active track I don't worry about the robot chasing ghosts and squirrels. It just tracks and when the obstacle to too large to track through, the GPS search puts it back on target a lot easier than the RC-III ever did.
Unfortunately my firm has gone "all-in" w/Carlson in just the last year, so going back is not an option, and if won't run Trimble's stuff, then they are out...
Rich., post: 370254, member: 10450 wrote: Not sure. Shoots instantly with SP but seems that it takes a second or two in CE. I feel in ce it isn't constantly in 'tracking mode' like it is in SP and when you take a shot it begins measuring when you click take shot. I'm not sure if there is a way to get it into a similar mode to tracking where it is always measuring in real time.
I am using V5 of SurvPC. There is a man and a lock. Seems like you are locked on the prism but not actively tracking. When only on lock, it only folllows the prism and does not actively record the distance, thus when you click store, it when then take the distance. In the Man (tracking) mode, it is actively tracking and measuring the distance in real time. Thus when you click store, it has the distance recorded already
I don't like Trimble's "planned obsolescence" where they say when your instrument is beyond it's useful life, not you.
Just imagine if Wild had included a capsule in all their T2's that would rupture in 20 years with some chemical to destroy the instrument.
Ok, that's still not the same but it still bothers me.
James
hlbennettpls, post: 434319, member: 10049 wrote: I'm going to fire this old one up here, so bear w/me. I'm thinking it might be time to upgrade as my rover pole took a spill the other day and the RC-II cracked when it hit the pavement. Still works (whoever on here said Topcon keeps going and going isn't joking). Anyhow, I've ONLY ever used a Topcon 8003 and, for the most part, I liked it. It has its quirks but it does pretty well in all honesty.
My major question is, we are using all Carlson field and office software. While I know their software will run most anything, I have been told it pairs better with certain instruments than it does others. I see this at times with my current setup, but it's not anything that really slows me down, just the occasional hiccup. Has anyone used Carlson's CR series total station? They look like the Geomax ones I've seen. While Topcon technically doesn't have an active target, the RC-II is a lifesaver. I ran out of batteries on the RC-II one time, and while I was able to finish my job, I can tell you, I missed the RC-II Quicklock big time! I like the active target of the Trimbles, but I've never used them, and from what I've been told they are picky about 3rd party software (is this true?). I'm thinking of scheduling a demo here soon, so we'll see how it goes. I'd like not to have a huge learning curve if I can help it.
I guess what I'm beating around the bush about is the targeting. Most all of the new robots look fast, sleek and I'm sure they measure good, but I'm interested in the targeting procedures for when you lose lock etc. I'd really like to hear everyone's opinion on that part about the robotic TS's they've referenced in this thread. Thanks!
You can see all of SurvCE's supported hardware here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ywdeKxoFk6EhOXT5JgarqPJ3ZLlhTTMJMudxtM8NVK8/pub?output=html .
The CR series total station is the same as the Zoom80 just with Carlson stickers and support, although it has been superseded by the Zoom90 (Carlson equivalent = CR+). These instruments don't use an active target or quick-lock function, although you can use the SurvCE GPS search. Rather they use a function called Scout360 for searching (most will know this by it's Leica moniker, which we will leave unsaid here), and Track360 for tracking. For searching you select a search direction in SurvCE (counter or clockwise) and the instrument turns while emitting a vertical laser array. Once a signal is returned from a reflective prism, the robot stops turning and switches to a horizontal laser array that searches up/down to find the center of the prism. This process is very quick and a complete 360 turn and lock takes less than ten seconds. If this description isn't clear enough I'm sure you can find a video on Youtube. For tracking, the robot follows the prism well and if you walk behind a tree or other obstruction the instrument continues turning at the same rate for a few degrees and will often pick up the prism on the other side. In the instances where it does lose you it returns back to where it last had sight of the prism and you can just search forward to regain lock (very easy in SurvCE - just tap the prism icon).
Also, as far as false lock and incorrect targets, these robots have been known to grab a taillight or window reflection from time to time, but we don't experience this problem very often and it seems that only a few of our customers ever have a problem with this. However, if it is a problem on a certain jobsite you can keep the guide lights on for quality assurance.
All in all, the Carlson/Geomax robot is incredibly easy to use and quick to set up. Just bond your collector to the Bluetooth handle one time and you are ready to go.
That answered it for me & it's no way. The rc-ii is a lifesaver. Never had an incorrect lock with it in 13 years. Thanks for the info.
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Another advantage of the Leica/GeoMax/Carlson robots is that you don't have to carry a special gizmo on top of your prism pole. (A gizmo that has to be charged, to boot.) I do almost all of my work with a Leica mini-prism, which keeps the pole compact and lightweight.
With regard to false lock, I can count on one hand the number of times my Zoom80 has locked onto something other than my prism in the year and a half that I've owned it. It's always been obvious, so hasn't cause any trouble other than requiring a re-lock.