Hi,
I am a surveyor engineer from Greece and I would like to compare the occupation of surveyor engineer between countries.
What kind of projects a surveyor do at your country?
Are there any rules about the price of your work?
E.g. are there minimal fees about the boundary topos or stakeouts?
What is the cost of a boundary topo? Do you charge by the area of the parcel?
When you perform a survey for a client how you get paid? You give him/her just a invoice or you have to pay fees about some association?
P.S. sorry for my bad English and for the questions but the occupation of engineer here in Greece is so mixed up that is being unbearable.
> Hi,
> I am a surveyor engineer from Greece and I would like to compare the occupation of surveyor engineer between countries.
> What kind of projects a surveyor do at your country?
In the Philippines, there are (or was) two categories for licensed professional surveyors. one is called a Junior Geodetic Engineer and the other is Senior Geodetic Engineer (or simply Geodetic Engineer). The Jr.GE are basically Civil Engineers (like myself) who has completed sufficient amount of units in elementary and higher surveying subjects that they are able to take the board examinations being offered by the government. Upon passing the board, these Jr.GE are licensed but their practice of surveying is limited to a certain extent;
1) They may sign and seal a relocation/boundary survey for a property not exceeding 4 hectares (or 10, forgot the exact value)
2) They may conduct subdivision surveys for a single lot but the subdivided lots should not exceed 10 parcels (excluding the road right of way)
The Jr.GE's are mostly involved in relocation, topographic and construction survey works.
The Sr.GE on the other hand, is the fully-licensed type of survey professional in the Philippines. They obtain their license by graduating in a 5-year degree course (Bachelor of Science in Geodetic Engineering) and successfully passing the licensure examinations given by our professional regulatory board. The Sr.GE has no limitation in doing any surveying works in the Philippines and they are mainly involved in government surveys such as 1st Order Control Surveying, Cadastral Surveys, Large Scale Subdivision Projects, Geological Surveys, Mining, GNSS Control Networks, Remote Sensing and even Crustal or Continental Drift Monitoring.
> Are there any rules about the price of your work?
Not necessarily rules but more like price guidelines. The professional organization for GE's has published some set of standard fees for different surveying works. These guidelines are being referred to whenever a surveyor is quoting for a job, but it is not generally considered unethical if a surveyor deviates a little less or more from these values.
> E.g. are there minimal fees about the boundary topos or stakeouts?
> What is the cost of a boundary topo? Do you charge by the area of the parcel?
> When you perform a survey for a client how you get paid? You give him/her just a invoice or you have to pay fees about some association?
> P.S. sorry for my bad English and for the questions but the occupation of engineer here in Greece is so mixed up that is being unbearable.
It's ok, nobody's perfect 😉 this is a surveyor's forum where anybody is free to ask and share his opinion.
Best regards,
Jef
> Hi,
> I am a surveyor engineer from Greece and I would like to compare the occupation of surveyor engineer between countries.
> What kind of projects a surveyor do at your country?
> Are there any rules about the price of your work?
> E.g. are there minimal fees about the boundary topos or stakeouts?
> What is the cost of a boundary topo? Do you charge by the area of the parcel?
> When you perform a survey for a client how you get paid? You give him/her just a invoice or you have to pay fees about some association?
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> P.S. sorry for my bad English and for the questions but the occupation of engineer here in Greece is so mixed up that is being unbearable.
In America there are strict rules between the practice of engineering and land surveying. Licensure for land surveying is necessary for boundary surveying (boundary surveying in the United States is quite complicated and unlike anywhere else in the world). 3 other types of surveying: topography, geodetic and construction staking are state specific (i.e., different states of have different requirements).
Civil engineers in the United States mostly concern themselves with engineering design and project management. Very few of them actually survey.
> In America there are strict rules between the practice of engineering and land surveying. Licensure for land surveying is necessary for boundary surveying (boundary surveying in the United States is quite complicated and unlike anywhere else in the world). 3 other types of surveying: topography, geodetic and construction staking are state specific (i.e., different states of have different requirements).
Hi True Corner! Can you share a bit more about the concept of Boundary Surveying in the US? I initially thought it's the same as to what we call a relocation survey or an original survey in the Philippines, I could be wrong though. In our place, a relocation survey means surveying a titled or decreed property in order to identify the exact location of its corners. The concept is quite simple but the actual process varies from simple to overly complicated (specially if there are no official records to be found or the reference monuments/records on site simply won't match up).
An original survey on the other hand is a survey performed on untitled property with the aim of registering the property in the name of the owner/claimant. The output of an original survey is an Approved Survey Plan from our Land Registration Authority or Bureau of Lands and a duly certified Torrens Title in favor of the owner/claimant from our Registry of Deeds.
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> Civil engineers in the United States mostly concern themselves with engineering design and project management. Very few of them actually survey.
I guess it's the same here in Qatar, in the UAE and probably the UK as well. In the Philippines, not all civil engineers are surveyors, but most surveyor is a civil engineer, especially the Junior Geodetic Engineers since most of them got a degree in civil engineering. It is very common to find a surveyor in the Philippines with a dual CE-GE license. Others get additional degrees in Law or Urban Planning since these are closely related with surveying. For me, I am a civil engineer who practice structural engineering here in the middle east, but I can say my first love is surveying, it's like a new adventure everyday 😉
Thanks for the replies. More or less the same rules applies to my country. Until recently we had minimum fees that was controlled by the technical chamber. But now we have free negotiate between the professional and the client.
Of course we have a lot of problems as professionals but i can't write them here. I have to write a whole book for them..:-)
> Are there any rules about the price of your work?
The main rule in the U.S. is that rules for prices are not allowed. Free markets rule.
> P.S. sorry for my bad English ...
Your English is good enough. I look forward to hearing more from you.
> > In America there are strict rules between the practice of engineering and land surveying. Licensure for land surveying is necessary for boundary surveying (boundary surveying in the United States is quite complicated and unlike anywhere else in the world). 3 other types of surveying: topography, geodetic and construction staking are state specific (i.e., different states of have different requirements).
> Hi True Corner! Can you share a bit more about the concept of Boundary Surveying in the US? I initially thought it's the same as to what we call a relocation survey or an original survey in the Philippines, I could be wrong though. In our place, a relocation survey means surveying a titled or decreed property in order to identify the exact location of its corners. The concept is quite simple but the actual process varies from simple to overly complicated (specially if there are no official records to be found or the reference monuments/records on site simply won't match up).
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> An original survey on the other hand is a survey performed on untitled property with the aim of registering the property in the name of the owner/claimant. The output of an original survey is an Approved Survey Plan from our Land Registration Authority or Bureau of Lands and a duly certified Torrens Title in favor of the owner/claimant from our Registry of Deeds.
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> > Civil engineers in the United States mostly concern themselves with engineering design and project management. Very few of them actually survey.
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> I guess it's the same here in Qatar, in the UAE and probably the UK as well. In the Philippines, not all civil engineers are surveyors, but most surveyor is a civil engineer, especially the Junior Geodetic Engineers since most of them got a degree in civil engineering. It is very common to find a surveyor in the Philippines with a dual CE-GE license. Others get additional degrees in Law or Urban Planning since these are closely related with surveying. For me, I am a civil engineer who practice structural engineering here in the middle east, but I can say my first love is surveying, it's like a new adventure everyday 😉
Very few practicing land surveyors in the States are civil engineers. We have dual registrants but they typically practice civil engineering and not land surveying. Land Surveying in the States is complicated because we have unwritten rights (adverse possession)it's not just measuring off a deed. Just today I had a survey of a tract that said on the deed 1320', but 1320' put me in someone's yard and all the other adjoining parcels are at 1307', so what does one do?
