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Survey Pro GNSS - How To Do a 1-Point Localization

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(@gbunk)
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I am a long time Survey Pro user, but only recently (due to changing jobs) using it to run RTK GNSS.?ÿ I come from using Carlson's SurvCE to run RTK GNSS.?ÿ I don't see how to perform a "1-Point Localization" in Survey Pro, can someone explain to me how??ÿ What I want to be able to do is setup my base on a new random point and begin a survey with autonomous coordinates.?ÿ Then I want to be able to take my rover to a known point with good state plane coordinates and localize to it (i.e. adjust my base to a good state plane coordinate based on the rover's position).?ÿ I've tried searching the manual and forums to no avail.?ÿ For what it's worth, I've yet to do any localizations/site calibrations in Survey Pro; all my GNSS work has been on state plane grid so far.?ÿ I'm running Survey Pro version 6.2.0.23 and using Spectra SP80's.

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-Garry

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Posted : 20/02/2019 10:32 am
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With one point, you can't localize. You are basically transforming, with no rotation and no scale.

Does NOT make any sense to do a one point localization.?ÿ

Just set up a state plane projection, get an autonomous position at the BASE, log state data, send static data to OPUS, correct base with OPUS results, the entire project is on SPC.

 
Posted : 20/02/2019 11:25 am
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I understand it's not technically a "localization" - sorry, it's carry over from SurvCE (I think).?ÿ Yes, I just want to "translate" coordinates.?ÿ And I also forgot to clarify that I need to do this real-time in the field, not processed afterwards (no issues with the afterwards office processing and using OPUS).?ÿ This is a situation where I need real-time state plane position to perform stakeout, but occupying the "known point" with my base is either not an option or would require 2 setups thereby unnecessarily wasting time.?ÿ

I am used to having the options in SurvCE to do a "One-Point Localization" (a i.e. "transformation"), a two-point rotation only, a two-point scale and rotate, or a full blown "site calibration" to multiple points.?ÿ I've used each of these options over the past few years and each one is real-time in the field only.

-Garry

 
Posted : 20/02/2019 11:34 am
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This is a useful feature.

Go to job, already on spc.

Set up autonomous.

Hit a known point. Base is updated. Set some points. Go home. Opus later, get a 2x check.

That was something that I wished survey Pro could do, back when I used it. Saves a trip to field.

Nate

 
Posted : 20/02/2019 11:38 am
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Here are the steps I use:

Open new job, create a point, Start GPS survey, Start Survey with Regular Setup, Select Mapping Zone, next, Set new base, connect to base, it then asks if I want choose an existing point or create a new one. Create a new one, then you connect to the rover and go occupy a known SPC point.?ÿ

I'm using V 4.1.6 with a Topcon HiperLite+

Hope this helps

 
Posted : 20/02/2019 11:43 am
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Nate, I'm confused.?ÿ Are you saying Survey Pro can't do it??ÿ What do you mean by "Hit a known point. Base is updated. . ."?

Maybe I'm missing that Survey Pro has the ability under "translate points" as a transformation and not a "localization/calibration"??ÿ I'm guessing the software might then require a reconfigure of the base (i.e. "start survey") after you do the translation?

Thanks,
-Garry

 
Posted : 20/02/2019 11:47 am
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Posted by: David3038

Here are the steps I use:

Open new job, create a point, Start GPS survey, Start Survey with Regular Setup, Select Mapping Zone, next, Set new base, connect to base, it then asks if I want choose an existing point or create a new one. Create a new one, then you connect to the rover and go occupy a known SPC point.?ÿ

I'm using V 4.1.6 with a Topcon HiperLite+

Hope this helps

Okay, but what are the steps after you occupy the known SPC point??ÿ Process makes sense to me right up to that step.

Thanks,

-Garry

 
Posted : 20/02/2019 11:49 am
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I don't use Survey Pro. But if you were using Topcon gear with Topcon Magnet Field you can do want you.

Setup job with SPC projection set base on unknown point, get an autonomous position.

Use Rover to occupy a known point. Locate that point in Topo, calling it the same point already in the controller. You will be prompted by DC that the point already exist and given the option to rename, overwrite or Adjust BASE. You want to select ADJUST BASE. Then you are prompted to store new point for the BASE, recomputed from the occupation. All data in DC will be adjusted to align with the new base coordinates.

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Not sure if Survey Pro has this option.

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If you don't define the SPC projection, then your bearings will be aligned with Geodetic North, not Grid North.

 
Posted : 20/02/2019 11:50 am
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Posted by: gbunk
Posted by: David3038

Here are the steps I use:

Open new job, create a point, Start GPS survey, Start Survey with Regular Setup, Select Mapping Zone, next, Set new base, connect to base, it then asks if I want choose an existing point or create a new one. Create a new one, then you connect to the rover and go occupy a known SPC point.?ÿ

I'm using V 4.1.6 with a Topcon HiperLite+

Hope this helps

Okay, but what are the steps after you occupy the known SPC point??ÿ Process makes sense to me right up to that step.

Thanks,

-Garry

After the point is occupied, I have the choice to accept the results and it will adjust the autonomous base point.

I do go ahead and record a rapid-static or static session to upload to opus later for peace of mind.

 
Posted : 20/02/2019 11:53 am
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David,?ÿ so is it like Lee describes above -?ÿ go to "Survey" - "data collection", enter the point # that already exists in the job with proper SPC coordinates, take average readings on the point just like any other "control" location, and when you attempt to proceed with storing the point Survey Pro will prompt to adjust to that point numbers position??ÿ

I agree with the static logging to send to OPUS later on for QA/QC/Sanity check.?ÿ And yes, job would be setup to be on proper state plane projection.?ÿ

Thanks,
-Garry

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Posted : 20/02/2019 12:05 pm
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Posted by: gbunk

David,?ÿ so is it like Lee describes above -?ÿ go to "Survey" - "data collection", enter the point # that already exists in the job with proper SPC coordinates, take average readings on the point just like any other "control" location, and when you attempt to proceed with storing the point Survey Pro will prompt to adjust to that point numbers position??ÿ

I agree with the static logging to send to OPUS later on for QA/QC/Sanity check.?ÿ And yes, job would be setup to be on proper state plane projection.?ÿ

Thanks,
-Garry

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Basically but go to "Survey" and "Start GPS survey".?ÿ Data Collection is for after you've localized.

 
Posted : 20/02/2019 12:14 pm
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Ok, so it's during the "Start Survey" process for rover configuration??ÿ I don't remember an option to go occupy a known point during rover configuration.?ÿ I know it searches for your base and after it finds your base you enter/verify rover height and click "Finish" - at least that's what I'm used to doing right now.?ÿ I'll have to take a closer look next time I have GPS setup and have the time to test it.

Thanks,
-Garry

 
Posted : 20/02/2019 12:22 pm
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Posted by: David3038
Posted by: gbunk

David,?ÿ so is it like Lee describes above -?ÿ go to "Survey" - "data collection", enter the point # that already exists in the job with proper SPC coordinates, take average readings on the point just like any other "control" location, and when you attempt to proceed with storing the point Survey Pro will prompt to adjust to that point numbers position??ÿ

I agree with the static logging to send to OPUS later on for QA/QC/Sanity check.?ÿ And yes, job would be setup to be on proper state plane projection.?ÿ

Thanks,
-Garry

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Basically but go to "Survey" and "Start GPS survey".?ÿ Data Collection is for after you've localized.

Also, I was assuming you were starting a fresh new job and wanting to convert it to SPC.?ÿ If you have a SPC job already loaded, still similar steps, but make sure you don't adjust the current job to one observation.?ÿ You will be given the choice.?ÿ?ÿ

 
Posted : 20/02/2019 12:23 pm
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Posted by: gbunk

Ok, so it's during the "Start Survey" process for rover configuration??ÿ I don't remember an option to go occupy a known point during rover configuration.?ÿ I know it searches for your base and after it finds your base you enter/verify rover height and click "Finish" - at least that's what I'm used to doing right now.?ÿ I'll have to take a closer look next time I have GPS setup and have the time to test it.

Thanks,
-Garry

It's after clicking "finish" not during rover configuration.?ÿ The next screen prompts to collect control. Again, this is with V 4 so it might not be exactly the same but I'd bet somewhat.

 
Posted : 20/02/2019 12:59 pm
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