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(@dave-bruno)
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I believe the term was "Wash Out Survey" and at one time was against the rules in Florida

 
Posted : January 23, 2018 9:15 am
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Survey will be performed when you have a legitimate contract, and will be paid within ? 30 days.

 
Posted : January 23, 2018 9:33 am
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It still is. FS Standards of Practice 5J-17.53(2)(d)1

 
Posted : January 23, 2018 10:21 am
(@peter-ehlert)
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freedom to contract is restricted by law? that sucks

 
Posted : January 23, 2018 10:36 am
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I have no problem with it but be sure to charge 6% of sales prices so that the half that close pay for the half that don't close.

We have been looking for a place to move to, found one we like a lot, seller has a contingency so it's not a sure thing yet.?ÿ The Agent doing this for us put some time into it, no guarantee she'll make a dime out of it.?ÿ If the seller removes their contingency then we will proceed to closing and both Agents will make the money.?ÿ It's not a business I care to be in, takes the patience of Job putting up with crazy sellers and buyers (such as me ha ha).

 
Posted : January 23, 2018 10:51 am
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Posted by: Peter Ehlert

freedom to contract is restricted by law? that sucks

Rules aren't made in a vacuum or out of?ÿ thin air...?ÿ The reason washout surveys are illegal in Florida is because so many home buyers were injured by them.?ÿ Seems pretty simple to me, you don't want your surveyor financially tied to the results of the survey.?ÿ ?ÿ

Just like you don't want your doctor being paid by the drug company sales creatures.?ÿ?ÿ

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Posted : January 23, 2018 11:17 am
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Posted by: Andy J

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Rules aren't made in a vacuum or out of?ÿ thin air...?ÿ The reason washout surveys are illegal in Florida is because so many home buyers were injured by them.?ÿ Seems pretty simple to me, you don't want your surveyor financially tied to the results of the survey.?ÿ ?ÿ

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To follow the medical analogy, seems like's its a rule design to treat the symptom rather than the disease.?ÿ ?ÿ

 
Posted : January 23, 2018 11:22 am
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From an ethics standpoint, I can see they want to remove any temptation to ignore problems in order to get paid.

From a business standpoint, when you complete a survey, you have produced something of value.?ÿ You have checked the title history makes sense and applies to the property they expect it to, identified and exposed or replaced corner monuments, checked for incursions of improvements, and provided a document.?ÿ Why would you do all this and not expect to be paid, regardless of other people's actions?

 
Posted : January 23, 2018 12:11 pm
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Good luck with that. Your losses in an agreement as mentioned will supercede your profits. And yes that type of contract is illegal in Florida.?ÿ ? ?ÿ

 
Posted : January 23, 2018 1:33 pm
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Posted by: Peter Ehlert

freedom to contract is restricted by law? that sucks

UH, yeh. Like, you can't contract to provide professional survey services if you don't have a license.?ÿ It kind of sucks, but it's the law.?ÿ

 
Posted : January 23, 2018 6:32 pm
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"No bill" is another term for that practice.

Most agents get some form of a retainer or other non refundable money that pays for their trouble.

They never share with the surveyor which to me shows their no respect attitudes.

 
Posted : January 23, 2018 7:17 pm
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They should be illegal.

You cannot perform an "above the table" survey if you have a financial interest in the property.

 
Posted : January 24, 2018 6:39 am
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Posted by: A Harris

"No bill" is another term for that practice.

Most agents get some form of a retainer or other non refundable money that pays for their trouble.

They never share with the surveyor which to me shows their no respect attitudes.

Realtors are so numerous here that I don't know of any getting money up front.?ÿ One office of a multi-office brokerage has more Realtors in it than there are Land Surveyors in the 4 County region.?ÿ A friend contacted a Realtor to be a buyer's agent and he signed an agreement that if he didn't enter escrow within 6 months it would be $2,500 which surprised me.?ÿ I've dealt with a couple of them recently and there was no suggestion of any up front fee or fee down the road if we don't buy anything.?ÿ They are working for free until we close on something then the seller pays the commission (supposedly, in reality it jacks up real estate prices).

 
Posted : January 24, 2018 8:22 am
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Thanks OldPacer
I wasn't sure if I remembered the term from New York State or Florida.

 
Posted : January 29, 2018 2:57 pm
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I don't think the reasons were to disregard any color of title or illegal activity.
I suspect that the idea only demeans the profession; as well as creates an unfair competitive edge
among fellow peers. I only guess as that concept was brought up before I got licensed....
As long as we treat each other as a peer professional, i be a happy pup.

 
Posted : January 29, 2018 3:08 pm
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What you describe should be illegal in every state simply because the surveyor has a interest in not showing things that may cloud the title. If there is a situation of "pay upon closing" the surveyor would be incentivizes to not show items that could show a conflict such as encroachments, overlaps, trespass, unwritten easements, etc..

I never agree to work on these terms and expressly refuse.?ÿ

 
Posted : January 30, 2018 5:02 am