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Frank Willis
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Are any of you from the region near Estillene, TX along the Red River? I have some questions about the river there.


 
Posted : June 16, 2013 6:20 am
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Have not been there in many years. A branch of the Harris family tree settled near there.

"The Small Bill should cover the boundaries that are within the State of Texas"

"In the suit Oklahoma, United States Supreme court Decree on March 12, 1923 set the boundary on the south side of the river at the "low bank" or "cut bank" and was later called the "gradient boundary" in an article published in the Texas Law Review in January 1952 by Colonel Arthur A. Stiles, Texas Reclamation Engineer"

(paraphrased from Darrell D Shines Guide to Texas Surveying, Jan 4, 2008, which is much the same information covered in the Texas Short Course 1954)


 
Posted : June 16, 2013 7:57 am
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Just curious about the title of your post.

Although on the south side of the Red, Estillene, Tx. is some 30 miles west of Oklahoma, in Hall County. I think Childress County is the closest county to the SW corner of Oklahoma.


 
Posted : June 16, 2013 9:13 am
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Not a boundary issue. Am examining something on the river in that area and will be going there soon. Was a little curious as to whether or not that area is considered a navigable stream and thus state owned.


 
Posted : June 16, 2013 9:52 am
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> Was a little curious as to whether or not that area is considered a navigable stream and thus state owned.
In the case of Oklahoma v. Texas SCOTUS stated "Upon the evidence in this case, held that no part of the Red River in Oklahoma is navigable".


 
Posted : June 16, 2013 10:37 am

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Very important detail

in O. v T. (1922):

"Officials of the United States Public Land Survey are not empowered to settle questions of navigability, and navigability in law cannot be implied from their action in meandering a stream."

Up until that time (at least in some States) the determining factor in the navigability of a stream was whether or not the GLO had ran meanders on the riparian lots. The SCOTUS set it straight in this ruling.


 
Posted : June 16, 2013 12:01 pm
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Frank

I know absotively posolutely nothing about Texas Waterways (in a legal sense).

But I did stay in a Holiday Inn once. Also found this:

Texas Stream Navigation Laws


 
Posted : June 16, 2013 12:58 pm
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Frank

30-foot rule sounds interesting.

In this case I working on a projected related to geology and hydrology, not surveying or navigability.


 
Posted : June 16, 2013 1:39 pm
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Tons of calcite out there in the Permian Red Beds. Manifests itself in alabaster and gypsum. Actually pretty boring in the geological sense. At least for a rockhound type of guy.


 
Posted : June 17, 2013 8:06 am
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I would bet that it is considered owned by the state.

The best source of information on that is the General Land Office in Austin.

http://www.glo.texas.gov/


 
Posted : June 17, 2013 10:29 am