Nate The Surveyor, post: 441957, member: 291 wrote: I was taught that a real surveyor "rises to the ocasion".
What if your client is Merriam-Webster? Do you just settle, instead?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/
voidintheabyss, post: 441550, member: 11972 wrote:
Today in Texas.
It looks like he kicked that tree and made it fall. BUT, it fell the wrong way and he still had to wade thru.
Kent McMillan, post: 441955, member: 3 wrote: ...The reality in OKPLSSia seems to be that since you have a record of how the survey was presumptively made, in most cases the "retracement" exercise just boils down to the earth-shattering question of either (a) which fence post to consider to mark the "original" corner or (b) whether to drive another survey marker in a county road intersection that already has one or two in place.
I am so sorry Kent, but I have to inform you that while you may be able to apply your (a) or (b) linear mentality to such lofty and complex issues in Texas as "where to stick the rebar" in a pile of scattered stones, it's not that easy up here in the real world.
You guys in Texas have it so easy because you can usually place your corners anywhere you 'think' they belong, simply because the next guy will either disregard your work quicker than you disregarded the fellow before you....Or possibly the next guy won't even see your stuff because he's 30 varas east of your line following his 'correct' line (obviously) derived from some scattering of stones with which he became infatuated. And the Texas mess continues in perpetuity. 😉
paden cash, post: 441964, member: 20 wrote: I am so sorry Kent, but I have to inform you that while you may be able to apply your (a) or (b) linear mentality to such lofty and complex issues in Texas as "where to stick the rebar" in a pile of scattered stones, it's not that easy up here in the real world.
This confirms my worst suspicions about surveying in OKPLSSia: you set Schr??dinger Monuments that temporarily mark the corner with some probability of correctness until tomorrow (or next year) when it turns out that they were just reference monuments (with some alternate probability of correctness)?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat&apos ;"> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr??dinge r's_cat
James Fleming, post: 441675, member: 136 wrote: Must be a new arrival from a PLSS state, a native would just walk across.
Maybe he just fell off the natural bridge behind him. 😉
James Fleming, post: 441675, member: 136 wrote: Must be a new arrival from a PLSS state, a native would just walk across.
Topo! I had to go in to get the flow line of the stream. I did fall in though, and that's why my IMan busted out his camera!
Nate The Surveyor, post: 441925, member: 291 wrote: Of all the odd things, that Kent McMillan has posted, this is probably the oddest. As others have said, it only reveals his lack of knowledge of the "Rest of the world". It's like saying that "Fords are harder to work on, than Chevys". They each have their problems. They each have their complexities. They each have their troubles. But, to compare their difficulty level, is an "across the board" issue, is simply the revelation of the fact that Kent does not get around enough.
BTW, Kent, the Javad LS is a wonderful tool. IF you want to simplify and TAME those Tejas Badlands. I recommend it. It could make your life easier. Even if 1-2 centimeters is not accurate enough... you can POST PROCESS all of it, simultaneously, while you do RTK. What's interesting, is you can USE rtk to get your search zones, (displayed in ANY kind of north, you like) and with GRID and GROUND distances. And, after getting close to a search zone, you can begin your search zone. Which can be 1' dia, to 400' diameter. In fact, there is a GLO corner, that is 340' from where everybody else was looking for it. That, and with some 150 seed ticks, biting your nether parts, it all has it's challenges. Then, there is the survey, done 30 yrs ago, by the "Lowest bidder" that now has to be reckoned with...and, it's built off the corner that is 165' wrong....
I once found a GLO corner, (using a total station) with a shovel. There was a pine knot, in a ravine, about 30' downstream, in a dry creek bed.
I got a search location, took the shovel, and probed the soil. Found a stone, carefully dug out the rock pile. It was filled in with erosion. The tops of the stones were 4-6" deep. There was also one stump hole, from the GLO survey. It was discernible, because what silted in, was a little different composition, than the local soil. This particular corner, is located SE of Mena AR. In the Nunely area. It's been years, since I did the survey. Dad went later, and set an ALUMINUM marker there. I did this survey, under my dad's license. In fact, I did a brief look up on this survey. Here it is:
http://geostor-plats.geostor.org/Polk/167622.pdfAnyway, to let your apparent confidence in your abilities bring you to the point of disparaging other surveyors, operating under a differing system, is a sure method, of blinding you to your next big pile of evidence, and causing you to fall.
"Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall", says the proverb of the ancients. I'd spare you the fall.
Anyway, happy Sunday afternoon, and maybe we'll get some rain.
PS, the found GLO corner is the S1/4 of 36, on the above posted plat.
Nate
That's an interesting note in the lower right hand corner of your posted survey. In my state, prescriptive easements only exist through adjudication, prior to that they are just claims.
imaudigger, post: 442067, member: 7286 wrote: .. In my state, prescriptive easements only exist through adjudication, prior to that they are just claims.
(Prescriptive) Rights vested prior to adjudication are a rarity. Most, as you have noted, are contingent on the courts. But there are always exceptions.
In Oklahoma an access easement can be deemed to exist by meeting the requirements of adverse possession. But only by the fact that in most cases the burden of proof of "non existence" falls on the owner of the servient estate after acquiescence, and not the ingressor.
If i were to do that survey today, I might say "possible prescriptive rights..." or the like.
Always interesting to look back on past work.
Mr. XXX claims a prescriptive easement through long standing use.
Some reference to the original GLO survey would probably be beneficial as well.