Working on a survey in NE Montana.
The notes called for brass caps at each section corner, 1/4 and C1/4 being set.
What was new to me was that the notes called for not only stamping the Section Corners but also scribing notches into the cap.
Scratching my head over that, but when I finally got there I found notches on the edges of the caps at the section corners.
I guess old habits die hard. And no I didn't take pictures and wished I had.
BTW in the small towns in NE Montana everyone waves to you when you pass them driving down the street.
What was the date on that survey? Did the notches appear to be filed in or just peened in with something like a hatchet?
I hope you were neighborly and waved back...
Same in small towns in Texas, everyone waves.
Small town america is the last hold out I'm afraid.
Kinda like this township closing corner stone with a big CC and also 13S for the township. First time I seen that.
You can see the notches also.
Yes, I did wave back; once I got back into the habit.
Looked like they were filed in: nice and regular.
1910 in one of the township-if I remember correctly.
We had a bit of a discussion in the office about one aspect of the surveys up there.
Because the C1/4 corners were set by running from the N-S, and the E-W 1/4's and bearings and distances are returned in the notes and shown on the plat does that mean that a lost 1/4 along a section line should be double prorated?
Not that it came up during my survey but when you look at the plat it is split into nice squares of 160 acres and it makes it look like little sections.
That is cool.
The CC is on the south side? Does that mean the township north of the standard line is closing on the line? Is the T13S scribe on the in T13S side? Normally I will see the CC on the backside or north side of the closing township stone.
One of the surveyors in this area would scribe the township and range on the stone at the center township corner (SE of Sec.16).
Closing from the west into previous township to the east. Between T 12 S and T 13 S. The CC is on the west face with 6 notches on each of the north, west and south sides.
It's a quartz (I think) and when marked the marks stand out WHITE.
I've found CC's on the closing side and opposite side of stones.
OK now I get. Just like you said, a closing township corner not a corner closing on a township line like I was thinking. Very well marked.
How old is it?
July 1895 according to the plat. Township closed into 1873. There is six chains between the two township corners. I remonumented both and am filing the corner records along with the geodetic coordinates. Grant money from the state (GIS) via the county. Going to use the funds to buy my corn flakes over the winter. Pays better than watching TV!
More Pics.
Stone
New Marker
Rebuilt mound and GPS occupation
Local residents
Another day, another dollar.
That's an interesting question- however, given that terrain and the section breakdown, I would think that even figuring it as a double proportion- it should be fairly close to record. Were you seeing pretty good comparisons with record v found?
yeah they do that in Texas too
Wave at you as you go by abd then they git theys shotgun n blows yur behind often....
they smile a lot while all of this transpires...
Township/Range on Stone(s)
The 1894 Manual requires marking the Township and/or Range on certian Stone Corners, IF over half the corners in the Township (or along a Standard Parallel or Guide Meridian) are marked by Stone monuments. (pages 22 to 50). This was limited (if I recall correctly) to the Township Corners (standard or closing) AND the common Corner of Sections 15,16,21,22 in the center of the township.
I have seen a few of these over the years...VERY COOL!
Loyal
Yeah, it was right on for 1910. Really good work.
It was a question that came up while I was looking at the plat.
Talked to a BLM surveyor, and he thought no you wouldn't, but with the way it was surveyed and all the info on the plat.....
I had retraced townships where the three mile method was used and never considered doing a double proration for a 1/4 although in those townships only the E and W 1/4 are connected and that was to what the original surveyor called "1/8" corners.
Check out the plat 33n 50e and you will see what I mean
Looks great: are you stamping in the field or in the office?
Always looks better for me if I can get in the vise at the workbench.
And now even more so if I forget the gosh darn reading glasses.
Because the C1/4 corners were set by running from the N-S, and the E-W 1/4's and bearings and distances are returned in the notes and shown on the plat does that mean that a lost 1/4 along a section line should be double prorated?
With that bit of information, your corners is not lost. 🙂 Back in the obliterated corner from the record data.
Hey Mighty,
Where are you in NE Montana?
My home town is Sidney and will be there next month.
I have never seen notches scribed in a brass cap tho??
Keith
Stamping caps
I do both stamping in the office and the field. I prefer the office if it works out that way (know what you are going to need for the day, can dig the hole, etc). Some just happen in the field.
I have two pair of glasses and jewelers eyes. Long/mid and mid/reading and jewelers eyes at about 5 inches (no glasses). Getting old ain't no party or for sure!
Stamping caps
No it's not.
Started these reading glasses a year ago.
I have a few caps I stamped thinking I would use them and got to the monument and it was in such good condition I thought better just to leave what was there.
So I grind down the cap and reuse it.
It just works better when you're hiking up a big ridge with a sledge, a shovel, the cap and rod, a hack saw, camera, ect., and the GPS to have the cap stamped before you leave. Even if you don't use it.
This was up by Scolby. lots going on around Sidney all of a sudden I hear. I've got family up around Antelope and let me tell you was I in trouble staying in Scolby and not getting over when they found out. But I'm a little old to spend the night at the Blue Moon and still work the next day.;-)
For me it's about a seven hour drive and I just had two days including driving; we were trying to get the son off to school and I needed to get done and get out. The job went smooth and I was in and out.
Check out 33n 50e if they get the notes online for that area. The surveyor talked about notching the cap and I thought....what?
