Some counties here in the SF Bay Area:
ROS fees:
San Mateo: $400
Santa Clara: $600
San Francisco: $568
Marin: %560
Napa: $1,500
Not sure about Alameda or Contra Costa counties.
Recording act costs and unlicensed surveyors- Bryan
I just checked out Napa County and they have a revised fee, $ 1046.49 for review + $8.00 for the recorder. OK, stupidly high, but no ones fighting against these costs so you guys upstate are just stuck with it..
Anyway...
I was looking at this check sheet they use and I noticed a LOT of personal county employee 'GIMMES' on it...
All three of these items listed are just bogus. Cooked up by a couple of office LS's over tea and cookies who have probably had a full week of field experience. Two have no state cite attached to them and the one that does is twisted beyond belief from what the act actually says. That last one is really in outer space...It's amazing what you guys up north have to put up with. Someone should have the balls to take these robber counties into court and sue their butt off.
Recording act costs and unlicensed surveyors- Bryan
Last year I was charged $1500, so if they revised it down to a "mere" $1000 that is interesting.
Regarding what we put up with, I just got a redline back from another county up here and the map checker actually did not like me showing all the ties to the city reference monuments along several blocks I surveyed because "I only need two".
He also crossed out my references to the old curbs I split saying that there was no need to show those either. He also crossed out a tie to a lead and tag (unknown origin) that I found. I stated I was showing as a reference monument, but he put "how does this support your boundary" after crossing it out.
Recording act costs and unlicensed surveyors- Bryan
> Regarding what we put up with, I just got a redline back from another county up here and the map checker actually did not like me showing all the ties to the city reference monuments along several blocks I surveyed because "I only need two".
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> He also crossed out my references to the old curbs I split saying that there was no need to show those either. He also crossed out a tie to a lead and tag (unknown origin) that I found. I stated I was showing as a reference monument, but he put "how does this support your boundary" after crossing it out.
So Bryan, tell me, how do you like being told how to form your professional opinion? Are you really going to buckle under about this?
In plain black and white Bryan, you are being told How to do your surveys.
Precisely why I don't like the recording act
> > Regarding what we put up with, I just got a redline back from another county up here and the map checker actually did not like me showing all the ties to the city reference monuments along several blocks I surveyed because "I only need two".
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> > He also crossed out my references to the old curbs I split saying that there was no need to show those either. He also crossed out a tie to a lead and tag (unknown origin) that I found. I stated I was showing as a reference monument, but he put "how does this support your boundary" after crossing it out.
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> So Bryan, tell me, how do you like being told how to form your professional opinion? Are you really going to buckle under about this?
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> In plain black and white Bryan, you are being told How to do your surveys.
Yup, some self-important unqualified loser justifying his existence by finding something wrong. Makes my blood pressure go up just listening to this stuff.
Recording act costs and unlicensed surveyors- Bryan
Not to hijack but I had a Subdivision last year that the Planner decided I should show a tie to a concrete bound shown on one of the City's plans. I explained that the bound was not there anymore and a rebar had been reset in it's place.
He didn't care, he wanted it shown as a conc bound. I told him too bad and it eventually got approved.
Jim in Southern NH
Recording act costs and unlicensed surveyors- Bryan
Not sure. It is taking me several days to call the dude because I needed to relax. I am now at the point it is funny, so I am going to call him once I am in the damn office. Been cranking out field work like crazy.
So Dave
Dave, should have left out the recorded survey part. I will not find fault with any surveyor who replaces a disturbed monument he has set within the previous 2 years as long as the original filed position is maintained. I would ask for a revised copy of the survey primarily because of the computer capability of producing such a revision. Any changes in the boundary location is something different. I believe monuments are often replaced by the original surveyor and no one ever hears about it and never will unless that reset monument is misplaced and its location is rejected with the proper justification by the those who follow.
jud
Precisely why I don't like the recording act - Perry
>> Yup, some self-important unqualified loser justifying his existence by finding something wrong.
Being qualified or not is not the issue.
>Makes my blood pressure go up just listening to this stuff.
Same here...really got me all wired up last night.
Recording act costs and unlicensed surveyors- Bryan
> Not sure. It is taking me several days to call the dude because I needed to relax. I am now at the point it is funny, so I am going to call him once I am in the damn office. Been cranking out field work like crazy.
I am glad to see you are working Bryan, set this guy straight for all of us please.
Recording act costs and unlicensed surveyors- Bryan
> Regarding what we put up with, I just got a redline back from another county up here and the map checker actually did not like me showing all the ties to the city reference monuments along several blocks I surveyed because "I only need two".
Only two huh? LOL That shows complete ignorance in field procedures on the checkers part, two distances will always intersect, it's the third and fourth distance from the ties that support the intersection.
> He also crossed out my references to the old curbs I split saying that there was no need to show those either.
Here he shows ignorance of evidence and establishment of major lines.
>He also crossed out a tie to a lead and tag (unknown origin) that I found. I stated I was showing as a reference monument, but he put "how does this support your boundary" after crossing it out.
Boundary support? He is tunnel visioned and does not understand at all that it takes many pieces of evidence to support a boundary decision.
Please...put this guy in his place.
Recording act costs and unlicensed surveyors- Bryan
Oh I can give you some more.
He does not want me to show distances between the city ties that are on buildings - other ROS maps do it this way, but I find it an egregious practice. In other words, you are supposed to establish a baseline along the street, and show the monuments as perpendicular offsets on either side, but my dimensions along that line to show where the offset lines are is "too much information".
So basically you can never really calculate monuments on ROS maps because they are only shown as offset from a line, and it drives me insane on these jobs when there are tags on my block. If you do not tie those tags in, you cannot really get on the block resolution of your predecessor.
He also said "this map is impossible (double underline this word) to read".
First, everything in this area are done with 90 degree lines, so there are literally no bearings, only distances. I use L100 font. The statement itself is ludicrous unless I drafted this in Egyptian cuneiform. There are some areas that were hard to dimension so I had to put details to better show them since the city ties are 90 degrees on either side and are set for convenience and the ties come in within a half foot of each other or closer.
Recording act costs and unlicensed surveyors- Bryan
Why not just tell him to file the survey as it is? What note will be placed on the map? "Too much information"?
I would put up with that as long as it took me to see one personal preference of the checker on the check print then I would come down on him in no uncertain terms. I will not tolerate that at all.
Recording act costs and unlicensed surveyors- Bryan
Haha yes that was one of my jokes to someone. Would they put a note that said "we disagree with showing the location of old granite curb improvements" or "this guy shows too much information and makes for a much more retraceable survey which we find abhorrent".
Recording act costs and unlicensed surveyors- Bryan
As you know only the Deputy County Surveyor who is signing the map can place a note on it, aside from that, is this checker licensed?
Recording act costs and unlicensed surveyors- Bryan
I've never had a County Surveyor put a note of disagreement on one of my surveys but I think I could live with one that says "Too much information" or "Impossible to read". I'm all for recording statutes but I can see where this kind of stuff makes people resistant to them.
Recording act costs and unlicensed surveyors- Bryan
> Please...put this guy in his place.
Yes, if that place is the unemployment line, then I'd agree. With a personal preference attitude like that, I wouldn't think that he would last very long......
RU sure this guy is a map checker and not a Nozzle for a sanitary cleansing device - 😉
Cheers,
Radar
Recording act costs and unlicensed surveyors- Bryan
He did not put "PLS" after his name on the comments, but I just looked it up and it appears he is licensed. I would be surprised if he was not licensed considering the attitude.
Wow Bryan still not calmed down yet?
The question of what is the best evidence, is a question for which the surveyor is called upon to express their opinion. Curb cuts in the old granite curbs, may well be the best evidence of the location of a block. Certainly curbs set in the early 19th century could well be much better evidence of a block, than the city's monuments map that were first created in the early 20th century and revised in 40's and 60's. Block diagrams predate the mon maps.
I cannot tell you how many times I have found a brand new tag 0.04' way from a hundred year old curb cut that fits the block and other improvements.
BTW do not blame you for having not calmed down yet
Wow Bryan still not calmed down yet?
Oh I am fairly calm. I was enjoying reliving it through Paul for the time being.
