I have a piece of land that has never been surveyed with two parcels next to it that have been surveyed and there is a piece of land that looks like it's attached to mine that does not show up on either of the survey maps from the other two properties and their deed does not mention the piece of land. But I have one neighbor saying they own it and their land was surveyed just a few years ago. He says he had it excluded from the survey so that he don't have to pay taxes on it. It's almost like an unclaimed piece of land. I will try to find a picture of the map and post it. What is the best way to deal with the neighbor till I can afford a survey?
Avoid the self-proclaimed expert neighbor. Find a very good local surveyor to determine your boundary lines based on proper title research.
Glad you came here Robert. Give us something to look at. Give us a street address. A Latitude and Longitude of the property. Then sit back and watch what these Professional Surveyors can uncover with such little informational, and the advice you will get. You will better informed to deal with your situation.
Hee, Hee, Hee!! If he had it excluded so he won't have to pay taxes on it, you can go to the tax assessor's office and question that. If he indeed is not paying taxes on it, you can pay the taxes for him. In my area, after doing that for 3 years, the land is yours. That ought to break him from sucking eggs!
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Address is 1558 Viele Pond Road, Warrensburg, NY 12885. Here is a picture of a deed plot green is our property blue is piece in question and red is the neighbor saying he owns the property. Current tax map id is 249.-1-27 our counties gis web page is http://gis-2.warrencountyny.gov/warrencountygis/
Here is the image 
I have done some measuring but stuff is so far off in the area that it makes my head spin. parcel 62-1-9 on the map actually has a survey stake 50 into the property and also from what I hear the line surveyed next to 62-1-8 was found to actually recently surveyed and was found to be 35' closer to me so it seems that either the stake that the problem neighbor says is mine is either actually between 62-1-8 and 62-1-9 or their property is much more narrow than stated on the map supposed to be 270' but if that stake is mine it would make it 195'
You acquired the property this past July with a Quit Claim Deed from Lee Coon who acquired it by a Quit Claim Deed from a Tax Sale. The descripion of the property in your deed is just the parcel number in the tax map.
On the Warren County GIS all of your property to the west of Viele Pond Road is wetlands.
The image of the map that you show above is from the recorded survey and subdivision from the property to your east sows the area with your blue dot to belong to Packard. The tax map and GIS, not the most reliable sources, shows it belonging to Kolze.
You really need to have a full title search done and then a survey with the corners marked. There is very little that anyone here is going to be able to do to help you, the work needs to be done on the ground and at the County Clerk's office in Lake George.
Thank you for your help and info. Maybe next year we will do the $2,500 for the survey but this is just for a camp no well or septic we carry everything in and carry out when we leave. Just trying to get a better understanding of this. I have verified with the county that packard's land survey is correct and includes all the land he owns. And I have also verified that kolze survey map does not include the area with the blue dot that the gis says he owns.
If your deed description is just the tax map number or call for adjoiners then you should go to the county clerks for help. Ask them how to use the grantor/grantee indexes to trace your deed back prior to when it was lost to back taxes. Chances are you will find a better deed description prior to the tax sale.
Gregg
GMPLS, post: 333738, member: 8404 wrote: If your deed description is just the tax map number or call for adjoiners then you should go to the county clerks for help. Ask them how to use the grantor/grantee indexes to trace your deed back prior to when it was lost to back taxes. Chances are you will find a better deed description prior to the tax sale.
Gregg
Researched it back to the original deed and all I get is a tax map and dimensions nothing saying what kind of markers to look for.
The lands of robert h. packard seems like it should show an arrow stating that the land crosses that road since the road still exists.
Some of these tax sales properties can be very challenging and full of dead ends until the correct name is used to search with.
Many times a visit to the tax office to uncover a history of the past owners of the property will do that.
I did one like this for NJ Green Acres land preservation that was a tax sale. It was just left over land that never got included when everything else was cut up. It was a land-locked parcel with no real description other than calls for adjoiners.
You really aren't going to get anywhere in terms of answers until you order a full title search and give it to a surveyor to use for the basis of the survey. How big is the lot?
Dan Patterson, post: 333748, member: 1179 wrote: I did one like this for NJ Green Acres land preservation that was a tax sale. It was just left over land that never got included when everything else was cut up. It was a land-locked parcel with no real description other than calls for adjoiners.
You really aren't going to get anywhere in terms of answers until you order a full title search and give it to a surveyor to use for the basis of the survey. How big is the lot?
1.49 acres and its on both sides of the road because after the property was done up the road was straightened and now the road runs through the property. That is what I am thinking the land next to me is just a piece of land that was not included with anything.
How do I do a full title search. I did search the deed back as far as the county has records for kept searching for the person that sold the property till I hit a dead end.
Google a title abstracting service in your area and call them. They have people who search and pull deeds all day long for a living. I would guess it's a couple hundred dollars for a search going back 60 years. That's usually what it is around here, but it does vary and could be more since your case seems a little complicated.
Dan Patterson, post: 333754, member: 1179 wrote: Google a title abstracting service in your area and call them. They have people who search and pull deeds all day long for a living. I would guess it's a couple hundred dollars for a search going back 60 years. That's usually what it is around here, but it does vary and could be more since your case seems a little complicated.
Thank you will look into that. Very complicated. Guess that is why they say $2,500 for a survey.
Robert Rolleston, post: 333761, member: 10403 wrote: Thank you will look into that. Very complicated. Guess that is why they say $2,500 for a survey.
Abstract isn't going to do much for you. You need a surveyor to look into it. 2500 is a bargain for something like you describe (if the surveyor is knowledgeable about this type of thing, not all are).
Robert Rolleston, post: 333761, member: 10403 wrote: Thank you will look into that. Very complicated. Guess that is why they say $2,500 for a survey.
you are getting good advice.
that title search is part of the foundation of a survey... a proper survey requires much more than measuring and map research. even in the simple projects there is always the possibility that just one little thing could make all the difference.
Some, but not all, Surveyors have the skills and resources to do a great title search... but many entrust that part to a Title Company or other service provider. Don't go cheap on that, or any other part.
get the title search done first and provide that to the various surveyors that you are considering for the job.
many of us price a job based on many assumptions, step one is Title.
good luck.
Peter Ehlert, post: 333774, member: 60 wrote: you are getting good advice.
that title search is part of the foundation of a survey... a proper survey requires much more than measuring and map research. even in the simple projects there is always the possibility that just one little thing could make all the difference.
Some, but not all, Surveyors have the skills and resources to do a great title search... but many entrust that part to a Title Company or other service provider. Don't go cheap on that, or any other part.
get the title search done first and provide that to the various surveyors that you are considering for the job.
many of us price a job based on many assumptions, step one is Title.
good luck.
Peter understands what I was getting at. Essentially you are taking care of the research part for the surveyor by having the title search professionally done. (I do my own research most of the time, but I find on something like this the title searchers can do it more efficiently and cheaply than me). You can just say you will provide the surveyor with the necessary title documents and he can base his survey work off of those. Most likely the surveyor can remove the research portion of his/her cost from the proposal.
