Kent
Well, I have been to more than one of Mr. Stahl's seminars right here in Colorado. Not only does he state his points and philosophies of surveying principles, but he has examples of real surveys he has done, and he appears to become relatively well-versed in his knowledge of laws in this state prior to coming to speak. I am even confident he has cited some laws that some of the audience wasn't aware of.
I do agree with some of the guys that complain that some seminar presenters that don't do their homework for the state they are speaking in, but I would not apply that criticism to JB.
Personally, I have learned from many on this board including the cantankerous Mr. McMillan. Also personally, from my observations, the ones that are speaking the loudest about Mr. Stahl being a know-it-all, are some of the biggest "know-it-alls" on this board. I will admit that it is hard to debate against JB, but maybe that is because he has done a lot of his homework and has studied and testified on many of the subjects he debates.
Thank you for all you have taught me, Mr. Stahl, and keep up the good work.
Tom
JBS
I have attended one of your seminars in Sacramento a couple of years ago. I stayed for the whole thing which is more than I can say for two representatives of the County Surveyor's office.
And I was by no means saying that your questions make me feel like a doofus. I was referring to an attitude that I pick up on from your written words and the seminar I attended that is similar to the themes in Lucas' columns that you have been to the mountaintop and we are the mere grasshoppers of surveying.
Some folks get their entertainment by being belligerent and insulting on message boards (particularly about politics). Kind of pathetic, really. I used to engage them, but life is too short for such a waste of time and energy.
OK I will say it...
Some grow in knowledge till the day they die. Others think they know it at at about age 30 and never grow any further.
JBS
> I have attended one of your seminars in Sacramento a couple of years ago. I stayed for the whole thing which is more than I can say for two representatives of the County Surveyor's office.
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> And I was by no means saying that your questions make me feel like a doofus. I was referring to an attitude that I pick up on from your written words and the seminar I attended that is similar to the themes in Lucas' columns that you have been to the mountaintop and we are the mere grasshoppers of surveying.
I feel that same way when I'm in a seminar where the presenter has experienced things and done things that I have barely begun to grasp. In some ways it may be belittling, but the reason I'm there is to be encouraged. I can see what can be achieved if I work at it and if I apply the knowledge and skills that I have.
I guess we'd be much more comforted learning from someone who is at our same level. That way we wouldn't be so challenged. Didn't someone just complain about the seminar instructors who don't know enough to be teaching the topic? Sounds like a Catch-22.
JBS
Robert
Like I said, you call any oil and gas company in East Texas where the state CAME to them and said you will lease these perennial streams or you won't get the permit. No corrected field notes for those surveys exist.
I'm sorry Kent, you're just wrong on this one.
Robert
> Like I said, you call any oil and gas company in East Texas where the state CAME to them and said you will lease these perennial streams or you won't get the permit. No corrected field notes for those surveys exist.
> I'm sorry Kent, you're just wrong on this one.
So, you're claiming that the Railroad Commission is holding up drilling permits on titled land in East Texas until the GLO issues a lease for the bed of any perennial stream upon the tract, even when there is no evidence of excess acreage in the grant?
JBS
See, that's what I'm talking about. You are approaching your "students" with the idea that they "have barely begun to grasp" the concepts you are talking about. You are also somehow assuming that they are not at your level. How can everybody be ignorant but you? I've been trying to be diplomatic here but perhaps I need to be more blunt. Some of the things you were "teaching" at the seminar I attended were flat wrong in the context of California law and when that was pointed out to you, your reaction seemed to be that California is just out of step with the world as you know it.
Robert
Yep!
Paul. I don't know to much about Wendy but she gave one of the best seminars in Okie that I have every witnessed on railroads. Tons of links and cites on our state specific railroad questions. I give her a 11 out of 10 on that seminar. It's the only one I have seen with her but it was great.Well prepared and out state specific.
Donald Wilson is a licensed land surveyor, an avid fisherman,
and forester.