> > Is no one considering the 54" tree at RP to be the 8" burr oak BT?
> That has to be a typo. There are no 54" trees in Oklahoma. Nevertheless it could be the bearing tree, and that would put the corner much closer to the fence.
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> In defense of proportioning - in Oklahoma the GLO dimensions generally match the survey dimensions much, much better than they do in the Northwest. Being mostly flat to rolling grassland. It is common for a half mile to measure out within 3 feet here. In Oregon and Washington 200 feet is considered pretty good.
Beg to differ on the large tree. I have one larger than that in my front yard. It is an old elm.
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> Does that north-south fence continue straight through those two green trees? At first glance it appears there is a fence offset a bit north of the coordinate.
Sure does. If that jog is about 28.4 feet that would be significant supporting evidence for putting the corner were it was put. That is information that should go on the CCR.
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Just a general comment here. When looking for and documenting PLSS corners they can be generally classified as existent, obliterated and lost. So what documentation and how much should a surveyor put in a corner record? Existent is probably the easiest. Obliterated is more difficult. And then there is lost. Lost should include the most extensive documentation of any corner. Yeah, I know that the mathematical proportion is a snap once a corner is lost (if original corners to prorate from exist). But isn't the bar set the highest to say a corner is lost? Documentation of a lost corner should state what evidence of a corner was researched in every direction for say at least a mile and why it was rejected as evidence of the corner. You got all the deed records with fences or markers coming into the section line for at least a half mile all around, You have roads, structures etc. There is a lot of stuff that could be evidence of the location of the original corner. That should all be documented and then a narrative written explaining why NONE of this evidence was associated with the corner and that the corner is truly lost.
If surveyors had to do this, and I believe the law says they do, there would be a lot less LOST corners. What you commonly see is such as the subject of this thread. The corner is LOST and a new one was set. They don't even say what it was set from or proportioned from which should be the nearest "original existent corners" in all the required directions. When a surveyor says a corner is lost, I say prove it, show that none of what exists out there can be associated with the corner. Any corner record filed that simply says the corner is lost without quite an explanation and write up should just be rejected outright. There is more than a corner lost here.
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PLSS Issue- Anyone have an Idea
what the apparently defunct enterprise to the east of the position is/was?
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PLSS Issue- Anyone have an Idea
> what the apparently defunct enterprise to the east of the position is/was?
Probably a decommissioned oil well.
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I use the following ideas to determine whether a a corner is Existent, Obliterated, or Lost:
- If the only resort you have is to proportion it, it's LOST.
- If the original monument, or any of the original accessories are found, or there is a documentary chain linking what you have found to the original, then it's EXISTENT. For all practical purposes in Oklahoma this means you found the GLO Stone.
- Everything else is OBLITERATED.
The OK Board puts a great deal of importance on the determination of whether a corner is Existent, Obliterated, or Lost. To me, for my purposes as a land surveyor, it does not seem so important what the reporting surveyor thinks it is. I want him to tell me what he found and what he did, and why. I'll decide whether its E,O, or L for myself. And I doubt that the distinction is significant to the client.
In this particular case, the surveyor may have placed the corner at the halfway point because that would put the point on the production of the main length of the N/S fence. If so-just supposing- this corner wouldn't really be LOST, would it?
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Your lucky there was a filed corner! proportionate measurement, for this lost corner, would be a last resort method in my opinion.
