In 1990 a government survey was done and the CN1/16th of Section 13 was monumented using a Brass Cap at the C1/4 to position it midway between the C1/4 and the north 1/4 stone.
In 2023 a new government survey was done using the CN1/16 which is shown on the government plat as a WC 25' south of the corner, the WC was set by a local surveyor prior to the 2023 survey.
We have tied the CN1/16 at least three times even filing a new corner record in the mid 1990s.
A client, along with his neighbors, wanted their south line staked which is the north line of the government property being the E_W centerline of the section. Easy, we have all the controlling corners already located. Go to the field, find the WC, and find the CN1/16th. Problem is the WC isn't 25' south, it's 21' south and 8' west. So, the new government survey is 4' into our clients. Plus, their east line drifts to 8' west of their line. They didn't recover the CN1/16th cause it's close to a culvert and the metal detector doesn't work very well there,,,,I guess. Our fresh location of the cap is .03' from the calc we have.
Such a simple job turns into a mess. Two CN1/6th's, one a 3" aluminum cap and one a virtual freshly filed position from a WC.
I can't really tell what's going on, but why was a witness corner set when the actual corner monument was apparently never wiped out?
I can't really tell what's going on, but why was a witness corner set when the actual corner monument was apparently never wiped out?
I guess they didn't find it with the metal culvert close by and it needed to be dug up, it is under a gravel road near the edge. I'm going to have to send both surveyors some drawings and get them to fix all that they did, or at least explain why they are 10' from the 1993 monument.
Sounds like somebody is about to have egg on their face.
Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.
Oh, this doesn't seem that bad at all. Ignore the bogus witness corner and all the nonsense associated with it.
I've found the annoying thing with a situation like this is deciding how long to let the other guys fix their mess. A couple times now I've found stuff by other surveyors and I've contacted them saying hey I'm finding XYZ, they acknowledge a mistake and say a fix is on the way, and then... I wait indefinitely?
I know you're supposed to play snail mail tag with them and the board, but does it really have to go to those lengths? I couldn't imagine not fixing a mistake of my own right away, let alone a mistake that was holding up someone else's project.
How long do y'all wait before you move ahead with your work and throw the offending surveyor(s) under the bus on you survey, etc?
Oh, this doesn't seem that bad at all.
It's not too bad, it's discouraging. The area is messy with larger patents broken up into small tracts over the years, so it comes with "overlaps and gaps", junior/senior considerations. As the parcels were granted and laid out the sections weren't correctly broken down, so there are parcels that don't fit together. Yet, after all that once these sectional monuments got established, everyone used them going forward, I thought the days of conflicting monumentation were over.
This is a case of not digging for a monument, a metal detector doesn't work for it since it's about 1.5' from a big metal culvert and it's deep.
As far as how long I'm waiting, the job was finished the day we were out there. But now I'm sending out drawings to the other surveyors. It's up to them to do with it what they need to do once they get my information.
This is a case of not digging for a monument, a metal detector doesn't work for it since it's about 1.5' from a big metal culvert and it's deep.
Ah yeah, that's a prime scenario to get burned unless the pipe was there before brass cap was set... then it's just embarrassing.
Ah yeah, that's a prime scenario to get burned unless the pipe was there before brass cap was set... then it's just embarrassing.
The bad thing is the culvert is shown on a Corner Record, along with swing ties, and the monument was set by the same agency that's now 10' WNW of the monument with the new survey. I sent them the info, no doubt there will be a new ROS filed.