Questions:
1) Why do so many homebuyers never get the survey before they close on the purchase, but manage to be upset with the survey results after the fact?
2) Why do so many surveyors never ask for help/tips before they go out to do something they've never done before, but manage to muck it up and ask for help after the fact?
It must be related to how there is never enough budget to do it right, but there's always time to do it twice?
It's called optmism.
1) Because the vast majority of real estate transactions never include a survey and go through without a hitch.
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2)?ÿ A mix of foolish pride and latent insecurities.?ÿ Asking for help creates the appearance of subordination.?ÿ?ÿ
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I don't think it has anything to do with budget and I'm aware these are facetious questions.?ÿ People begin as children telling themselves little untruths like, "It wasn't my fault, they shouldn't have gotten in the way of rock", etc..?ÿ After many years of failing to be brutally honest with ones self, and reinforcing perversions of truth, culpability becomes nearly impossible.?ÿ I ask my kids not to lie to me but I make them swear not to lie to themselves.
2) Why do so many surveyors never ask for help/tips before they go out to do something they've never done before, but manage to muck it up and ask for help after the fact?
Hubris. Also: let's be honest here... they don't ask for help. They double down and say they're right.
People begin as children telling themselves little untruths like, "It wasn't my fault, they shouldn't have gotten in the way of rock", etc..?ÿ After many years of failing to be brutally honest with ones self, and reinforcing perversions of truth, culpability becomes nearly impossible.?ÿ I ask my kids not to lie to me but I make them swear not to lie to themselves.
I like the way you think!!
Perhaps, if they owe 250k, then so what?
But, after its paid for, suddenly they become a landowner. Now, it's time to establish dominion!!
But, I like yours better.
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1) Because the vast majority of real estate transactions never include a survey and go through without a hitch.
1) Seems like the majority of large parcels these days are still carrying the original description that could be degrees off and don??t close very good. So then your hoping there??s still some trace of evidence there.
2) It surprises me how many mistakes I find in deed descriptions. I figure either their maxing their budget and trying to get the survey out the door quickly or they aren??t paying attention when writing the description.
Or, it's like a current project.?ÿ The client purchased a single lot in a subdivision that is only about 35 years old.?ÿ He wants to put up a fence.?ÿ No one in that little sub has ever put up a fence, so his will be the first.?ÿ I bet there's something in the covenants that says fences are not allowed.?ÿ One of his abutters is an attorney whose father-in-law was the developer for the sub.
1) Why do so many homebuyers never get the survey before they close on the purchase, but manage to be upset with the survey results after the fact?
This is one area where we fail as a profession - making the value of a boundary survey known and being seen as an acceptable and necessary cost, as part of a real estate transaction.?ÿ
Unfortunately, most people look to the realtor for guidance on the location of their new purchase's boundaries and advice on the potential need to hire a surveyor.?ÿ And most realtors won't suggest a boundary survey, since it may hold up the sale.
I don't think most people get very excited about spending $2500-5000 for a survey, when to them it's nothing really tangible, like a fence, hot tub, or new bathroom fixtures.?ÿ We shake out heads though, it being a small cost to know what exactly you're buying for $250,000-500,000.
It surprises me how many mistakes I find in deed descriptions. I figure either their maxing their budget and trying to get the survey out the door quickly or they aren??t paying attention when writing the description.
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Let's not forget that a sizable chunk of surveyors have been trained to think that perpetuating a poor or outright incorrect description is better than preparing a new one. Despite the fact that state standards generally (definitely ALTA/NSPS standards) allow for it as long as we explain our reasoning and make it clear that the new description describes the exact same parcel of land.
We'll bitch about a horrendously terrible description that took us days and days to sort out and place on the ground, then turn around and slap it on a survey verbatim, shrug our shoulders and say "welp, not my problem any more!"
I ask my kids not to lie to me but I make them swear not to lie to themselves.
I've heard many people tell their kids many things, but I've never heard it put that way. I like it.
There are a couple sayings I've heard that seem to resonate:
1) People like being lied to. They just don't like finding out they've been lied to.
2) Don't ask questions you don't really want to know the answers to.
#2 generally goes along with someone failing to understand the significance of circumstances prior to opening their mouth/fingers typing.
This is one area where we fail as a profession - making the value of a boundary survey known and being seen as an acceptable and necessary cost, as part of a real estate transaction.?ÿ
Similar version of this just happened to me, except it was an attorney railroading the developer. The attorney convinced a novice developer that the only way to develop a certain property was with a condo. Not true. After discussing other options with the potential client, she had a much better understanding of the situation, and was miffed that her attorney was bleeding her at every turn, and into the foreseeable future.
Funny... she liked being lied to, but didn't like finding out that she was lied to.
She ended up choosing the condo route, but can't afford to pay for the survey work because she spent most of the money on the attorney fees. She's dead in the water without the surveying.
I asked her if she thought her attorney didn't suggest alternatives because they had a personal stake in the development route. It sounded like she was going to cry. She's very unhappy, and has spent about $200k so far that is a total waste, as it sits.
Attorneys = Vampires.
2) Why do so many surveyors never ask for help/tips before they go out to do something they've never done before, but manage to muck it up and ask for help after the fact?
Hey, here's your chance to help me-- how in the flying hell do I stop Civil 3D from inserting surface points on my curves??ÿ My curves are just fine the way I shot them.?ÿ I don't want this nonsense to happen, ever!?ÿ ????ÿ
Sorry, we use Carlson with Autocad.
I despise C3D for survey, and cannot help you.
I'm sure there are many on here that can help!
