Took the crew out to a tract of land yesterday. Showed them where to set the GPS up, and since there were cows, I said leave one man with the base, go into the next field, set another base, wait 20 minutes, shoot it again, mean the coordinates, and move the base. Then go and check into three other points other than from whence he came.
So, he does exactly that. Except, evidently, a college degree and almost another in physics didn't allow him the knowledge to mean a coordinate. He shoots it, waits 20 minutes, shoots it again. These two points were 0.005' apart and the elevations were flat. Okay, pick one right, WRONG! He attempts to mean them out. Fine, whatever. Except, in his meaning of the points, he eff's it up and it ends up being 0.20' from either one of the OCP points. WFT?!? Then he can't check in by, you guessed it, 0.20' and he surveys like hell.
So, the RTK, no biggie, a quick translation, but instead of handwriting the 10 to 20 freaking side shots in the book from set RTK pairs, he takes the time to build a data collector file in the nomad and tie them all in. Except all of the store points are 0.20' off from where they should be!!!!!
So now, I have to spend time editing the raw data file when I could have already hand entered this crap and had me a point map!!!!!
Why are all party chiefs idiots!?!?!?!? You can't tell them enough to check, check, and check again. Do the listen, hell no! A quick, inverse between his "mean" coordinate and the other two would have told him that his math abilities SUCKED, but that would be WAY too easy on the boss man, so we're going to make him earn his lunch money fixing data.
Ok, I feel a little better now. Just, DAMN!
My chief is a genius!
We are fortunate.
Our chief has a deep understanding of just about every aspect of surveying and we NEVER have to worry about stuff like that.
LOL I've been a Party Chief since 96, and haven't made mistakes like that. Not all of us are idiots, but many are. I find a lot of surveyors make a guy a Party Chief, for only knowing how to run the equipment. Button pushers with little surveying common sense should not be Party Chiefs.
My chief is an idiotic genius!
Just last month he got interrupted by the phone whilst assembling the files, gathering batteries, loading equipment, etc. When he got to the job, he forgot to include the rover batteries. Opps.... and this isn't the first time.
One time he grabbed the yellow Trimble box with the GPS gear, when that job called for robotic and needing the similar looking yellow Trimble box with the 5600.
I'd fire him, but since I'm solo I decided to give him another chance. And being solo, it's tough to fire yourself - especially nowadays. Alzhiemers may be closer than I like to think
...duh cheers :beer:
Thanks for the reminder of why I don't have employees! A simple issue no where near the real problems. Life is good really SOLO.
Mapmaker
I must have forgot to mention his degree is in surveying and he's already an SIT.
I'd fire him, but he's been friends with me since before I was in junior high.
SMH
>Why are all party chiefs idiots!?!?!?!?
Maybe it's just the ones that work for you. Or, maybe he just doesn't like being called an idiot.
All of party chiefs I know are intelligent and able to troubleshoot on the fly... Oh, and don't have a degree.
AS3
Even as an fng I am troubled by the fact that his check was so far off and he didn't stop there to figure out why. Have a great weekend! 😀
Instead Of Chastising
Generally errors like the one you described are good opportunities to teach. Just because someone can pass a test, doesn't mean they have common sense or are good at problem solving. One should always consider teaching others instead of publicly humiliating them.
AS3
Thanks for the chime in from the sanctimonious section of the group. Really, I'm not sure what I'd do without your words of encouragement and enlightening discussions about how you never have problems from your crew members and live in utopia.
Instead Of Chastising
You assume that I haven't attempted or that you just didn't have the reading comprehension where I stated it.
Nice Pic
Good way to sneak in P&R in a non P&R thread.
AS3
Instead Of Chastising
> You assume that I haven't attempted or that you just didn't have the reading comprehension where I stated it.
No, but generally, after a mentor tells his protege (in anger) that they are basically worthless, one should assume that anything after that is going to go in one ear and out the other.
AS3
Instead Of Chastising
I didn't realize that you had advanced degrees in psychology and human resources.
Instead Of Chastising
Mocking others for their insight doesn't seem to help your cause.
Instead Of Chastising
> You assume that I haven't attempted or that you just didn't have the reading comprehension where I stated it.
Kris,
You just need to find the proper method to teach him. It may or may not include the use of an oak 4 x 4 between his eyeballs. In any case the first thing to be ascertained is that you absolutely, positively have his total rapt attention. After that point, even those with a bare modicum of intelligence can be properly instructed and will thereafter retain that instruction. Implementation of the same however may require several applications of the aforementioned attention acquisition method.
SJ
> I am troubled by the fact that his check was so far off and he didn't stop there to figure out why
That would be my concern too. Then again, there are certain jobs where 0.2' is "close enough". Given the instructional procedures he was to follow, I doubt that's the case here. More likely he fat fingered something and assumed life was good...
At least Kris caught this one. My guess is he's concerned about the ones he didn't or won't catch, and with good reason. That's why I like being solo, so that when I forget my batteries or fat finger something - I know who, what, where, when and why.
Go to your corners
Too late on a Friday to get worked up.
Is Utopia near Sugarland or east of Houston?
I was going to crab about my crew chief always sassing me and not listening to my advice, but I see the solo joke has already been cracked.
Is it beer thirty yet?
Instead Of Chastising
I find the best method to assist people in learning from their mistakes is for them to fix the problem. I'll help, but by golly you're going to come sit in the office and do the work.
Go to your corners
> Is it beer thirty yet?
Yup, have two
:beer: :beer: