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Found this Mason Dixon Stone a few weeks ago and was very disappointed to see that the USGS has attached a Brass disk to the top. This disk appears to have allowed freeze thaw to create cracking to the top of the monument. What were they thinking??

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Posted : January 14, 2016 11:26 am
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That kinda sucks
What year was it set?

Least it hasn't been painted with Orange flo pink


 
Posted : January 14, 2016 11:44 am
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And if it's a bench mark not really the right type of momument for one


 
Posted : January 14, 2016 12:01 pm
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Robert, that stone would have been set approx. 1767. at a glance, it is a milestone. the crown stones are the truly stunning ones; heavier, taller, and more ornate


 
Posted : January 14, 2016 12:03 pm
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More than 30 of them have disc set in them...that one is actually in pretty good shape, better than a lot without discs
http://www.mdlpp.org/pdf/library/TheNGSDataSheetsforLineDataOnly.pdf

What stone number is it?
http://www.mdlpp.org/?page=stoneinv


 
Posted : January 14, 2016 12:05 pm

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Moe Shetty, post: 353245, member: 138 wrote: Robert, that stone would have been set approx. 1767. at a glance, it is a milestone. the crown stones are the truly stunning ones; heavier, taller, and more ornate

Some of the stash of original stones dumped in Washington County were set in the 1902-1905 resurvey


 
Posted : January 14, 2016 12:07 pm
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Cooper, post: 353238, member: 9536 wrote: What were they thinking??

probably the same as in 1896 i.e. mine is better than yours


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Posted : January 14, 2016 12:11 pm
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I was wondering about when the USGS disk was set.
During the 1930's, the WpA went around setting disks every/anywhere.

During the 1970s, the DOT did the same.


 
Posted : January 14, 2016 12:16 pm
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James Vianna, post: 353248, member: 120 wrote: probably the same as in 1896 i.e. mine is better than yours

I find that humorous for some reason.
For a few reasons really


 
Posted : January 14, 2016 12:28 pm
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You should fine the USGS $250 for damaging a monument.


 
Posted : January 14, 2016 1:51 pm

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Yes I remember a story from years ago when USGS or NGS did some re-surveying along the Mason-Dixon Line and when some of the stones were a little out of record alignment, they moved them. Or was this an old wives tale?


 
Posted : January 14, 2016 2:35 pm
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J Tanner, post: 353273, member: 7358 wrote: Yes I remember a story from years ago when USGS or NGS did some re-surveying along the Mason-Dixon Line and when some of the stones were a little out of record alignment, they moved them. Or was this an old wives tale?

three people come to mind that may be able to answer this; don teter, dave ingram, or chas langelan


 
Posted : January 15, 2016 5:19 am
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Moe Shetty, post: 353347, member: 138 wrote: three people come to mind that may be able to answer this; don teter, dave ingram, or chas langelan

There's a fourth.... Todd Babcock

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Nelse McLeod: Faith can move mountains, Milt. But it can't beat a faster draw. There's only three men I know with his kind of speed. One's dead. The other's me. And the third is Cole Thornton.
Cole: There's a fourth.
Nelse McLeod: Which one are you?
Cole: I'm Thornton.


 
Posted : January 15, 2016 5:57 am
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There are actually quite a few stones on the north-south line between PA and DE that have USSG disks affixed and at least a dozen on the PA - MD line that I've seen. Some are reference marks but others made convenient triangulation points since they were set by Mason and Dixon at the crests of the mountains that were crossed on the journey westward. I have a spreadsheet from the work of the Mason and Dixon Line Preservation Partnership with all of the locations of the stones that has the Lat-Long and descriptions of those with a USGS disk I'm willing to share.

The MD - DE line was surveyed by NGS in the 1960's - 70's and all of the stones on the line were located and have published values. There was a report written on the results that found there was a 20' +/- "bow" in the line. I believe there were some stones that fell several feet off this best fit line through the stones and they were relocated onto the line.

I have a copy of the report that I could scan and share if any are interested.


 
Posted : January 17, 2016 9:41 pm