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I have some basic questions regarding the leica TS06 and the cs15 controller, running leica smartworx viva.

I have run the leica tcr1105 with tds onboard that I have completely lost touch with Leica software, especially the file structure.

First question, when I first set the instrument up without starting the data collector, I can level it using the onboard leveling option. But when I turn the data collector on and it initializes with the instrument it defaults to the DC for leveling, which is much more awkward than the onboard leveling. Can I over run that option with the instrument?

Second, Must I always import/export ascii files to transfer coordinates?

Third, when I import an ascii file how do I make it the current jobs, current cords, etc, for stakeout?

Fourth, I used a usb stick to move some coordinates from the PC to the instrument but I couldn't find the option on the DC to import the ascii file from the instrument.

I have used this DC with my GPS GS14, and I have done some successful data collection with the instrument for a plot plan, and elevation transfer, but it's extremely difficult and frustrating! I forgot how frustrating leica software can be, LOL.....

I can remember what we went through to make the old GRE3 work!

Thanks,

Dtp

 
Posted : December 31, 2014 6:43 am
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Does your instrument have Smartworx on it?

I'm a little confused when you're talking about importing coordinates between the instrument and DC. If you're using the DC, then you don't need to transfer coordinates between them, as all your work/data is run through the DC.

If you have Smartworx on the instrument, then you don't even need the DC.

 
Posted : December 31, 2014 7:10 am
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The instrument has Leica FlexField

I am trying to understand the file process I guess. I am used to converting my cords to a cr5 file and uploading that to my pc card and using that in the tcr1105.

But now, if I am going to do a stakeout, the only way I can figure to transfer the data is by ascii file.

But I have trouble figuring out how to merge the working file and the coord file.

Also, how do I take advantage of Carlson field to finish without a raw file? How does leica store line data commands? I am so used to raw files for traverse manipulation that I am struggling to find corresponding methods.

 
Posted : December 31, 2014 7:18 am
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As far as the levelling goes, with the TS06, (I don't have one with me right now, so I don't know what's on those for software), the DC never affects the levelling. On the MS50, which has Smartworx, yes it is a pain, so I usually just switch the DC to GPS mode while I set it up and level, and then switch it to TS mode.

We always import csv or txt files from a stick into the job after we create one for the day's work. This comes in no problem. Jobs & Data/Import data/Import ASCII data. Make sure that you have from USB and to the current job. When we stake, we just pick the current job as the control file.

You can export raw files also. Jobs & Data/Export & copy data/Export fbk/rw5 data, and pick whichever format you like. The only thing is that I haven't found the + symbol, so I usually use something else, and do a search/replace later. So linework works the same way as with other DC's.

We usually use Carlson Surveyor DC's for most of our conventional work - so I'm sure that there are others here who may know more than I do about using it with a TS.

 
Posted : December 31, 2014 7:35 am
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another for instance is the trigger key.

I have it set up in the instrument as Meas for the top and dist for the bottom, but when the data collector is synched those options do not work, the trigger doesn't work.

 
Posted : December 31, 2014 7:39 am
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"trigger key"?

F1?

User/Work settings/My survey screen

maybe

 
Posted : December 31, 2014 7:50 am
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the ts06 has a "trigger" key in between the horizontal motion and the power button. It can be formatted to various functions including "measure" and " distance" but when the DC is synched it is not operational. I can't find the corresponding settings anywhere on the DC , not in work settings, not anywhere!

there are also two "user" keys that can be programed and I have set user key 1 to bring up the leveling program, again with the DC on and synched it will not function. Only with the DC off, or switched to gps instead of ts.

 
Posted : December 31, 2014 8:03 am
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Foggy,

I can answer your initial questions later today. ...

On the trigger key on the FlexLine Total Station. I cannot be used to trigger the CS controller. The measurement command must be initiated from the CS controller to trigger the FlexLine to measure and feed the data to SmartWorx on the CS15. The trigger key on the FlexLine will work with its onboard software - FlexField.

The line of Viva instruments uses SmartWorx on both the on-board and the CS controllers. The FlexLine can definitely work with the CS controller but it comes with the "mid-range" software on-baord called FlexField because it is another level of instrument int the Leica product basket. The FlexField software is easy to use but just stick with SmartWorx.

The level bubble is to hard to level when you have to look at the data collector and then tune the tribach and the look back at the DC and back at the tribrach... it is akward. So just use the level bubble display on the instrument then connect the CS controller. You can place the CS controller in Stabd By mode through the Power Menu. Just hold down the power button on the CS controller and the Power Menu will appear. Choose the second option - Stand By - this is the "sleep mode" level up on the instrument display... then press the power button again on the CS to power it back on quickly.

Why does Leica lock out the instrument when connected to the CS Controller???

This "take over" by the CS controller is done to the FlexLine and Viva total Stations. Why? Because it better to control everything from the data collector if you are using the data collector to avoid not catching a User made change on the instrument. The CS does check for the instrument being level and what prism is set on the instrument EDM, etc. when measuring data. It is just safer to choose to have the controller take over. No big deal... just trying to make sure data is correct!

 
Posted : December 31, 2014 9:42 am
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1: Update your firmware. Version 5.5 has an over ride on the gun for the level. When the collector takes over there will be a button (F6) on the gun that says level.

2: Yes. As far as I've seen you need a standard text file (ex: ascii).

3: From the main SmartWorx screen go to "VIEW/EDIT DATA" and click on "Set Working Job" then select your job from the list.

4: If the points are in the collector why do you also want them on the gun? I don't believe there is a way to go direct from the gun to the collector without exporting them from the collector onto a flash drive and then importing them into the gun...

 
Posted : December 31, 2014 10:38 am
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thanks for the assistance.

I am trying to upgrade the instruments firmware but I am having trouble getting my instrument to communicate with the PC

 
Posted : December 31, 2014 11:24 am
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Hey, I like that. We just upgraded to 5.5, so I hadn't noticed that. Thanks

 
Posted : December 31, 2014 11:29 am
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Foggy,

You posted that you have a TS06 - This is a FlexLIne instrument not a Viva instrument. You cannot load the FW 5.5 mentioned because this is a version of SmartWorx which only runs on a Viva TS11, TS15 or Nova series. The latest version of the FlexField software that runs only on the FlexLine instruments like your TS06 is FlexField version 4.00.

The version of firmware on your TS06 is not the issue with the level bubble. Do not try to load the Viva firmware on a FlexLine. It will not work.

You can run the Viva firmware version 5.50 on your GS14 and your CS15 if you have the needed maintenance date on your units that would allow the upgrade.

The FlexLIne instrument also has a required maintenance date. Your TS06 would need a maintenance date of May 1, 2013 to install the firmware on the TS06. You should also have a side communications port on a TS06 which has a USB memory stick port as one of the available connections. You can upgrade the firmware (if needed) via the USB stick.

If you want to check your firmware version and maintenance date on your FlexLine instrument...

1. From main menu after instrument boots up select the Tools option...

2. Next select the Info option...

3. Depending on your firmware version you may have to use the Page key to view all of the available information. The Page key is just left of the number 7 key on the keyboard of the instrument. The information will list the Instrument Firmware in a field called "Instr. Firmware:" The maintenance date will appear in a field called "Maint End Date:"

If you do not have version 4.00 loaded you can send me the date shown in the maintenance date field and I can let you know what version you can upgrade to for the instruments firmware.

 
Posted : December 31, 2014 12:10 pm
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SurveyTheMark>Thank you

I am aware that it's a flex line instrument, but wasn't aware of that much difference. I am running 4.0 and am trying to update the software through the "myWorld @ Leica" site but cannot get the instrument to communicate.

I'm not going to try and get the 5.0 version of viva loaded 🙂

Dtp

 
Posted : December 31, 2014 12:25 pm
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Foggy,

These are your questions about Viva SmartWorx running on the CS15 controller. Everything in the answers are the same for both TPS and GPS. This has nothing to do with the onboard software on your FlexLine TS06.

A. Must you always import/export ASCII files to transfer coordinates…. No

ASCII files for import are probably the most common if you are just dealing with points but you can import deferent data formats depending on what you are doing. You can import alignments form many different file types, you can import a DXF file from CAD and have the system automatically create points at all of the endpoints, or you can import LandXML files.

If you are just using flat ASCII files to import points… From main menu chose Jobs and Data…. Then Import Data…. Next choose Import ASCII data. Make sure you select the F2 (Config..) key to setup the needed delimiter and pattern that your ASCII file is formatted.

You can export many different formats from a common ASCII files, a custom ASCII file (needs a format file to export desired format, you can export a DXF, LandXML or some other “standard” raw data files. The “standard formats” available are RW5, RAW, FBK or FWD.

You can transfer from job to job also…. Main menu… Jobs and Data…. Export and Copy Data… Copy Between Jobs

B. When I import an ascii file how do I make it the current jobs, current cords, etc., for stakeout? – SmartWorx uses a Working Job (job that records all raw data) and can also use a Control job just like other field software packages. The control job is merely used to look up points such as control points to setup the instrument to stakeout points. No raw data is written to the Control job and no coordinates are edited.

To set the Working job --- Main menu – choose Jobs and Data Choose Working Job --- select the job you want and select F1(OK)

To set the Control job --- Main menu – choose Jobs and Data Choose Control Job --- select the job you want and select F1(OK)

You do not have to use a Working Job (records all raw data) and a separate Control Job. You can set both as the Working Job for simplicity.

C. … I used a usb stick to move some coordinates from the PC to the instrument but I couldn't find the option on the DC to import the ascii file from the instrument.

I am not sure about this question. It sounds like you are trying to use the software on the instrument and the software on the CS controller at the same time. You can import/export ASCII files on both but I do not understand why you would want to mix software. Just use the CS15 controller with SmartWorx

 
Posted : December 31, 2014 12:41 pm