New irons and no caps are standard operating procedures for many surveyors. I find them all the time and have talked with a one of our peers and have been told they refuse to use them because they were not personally consulted or informed of the rules. I did some work in a brand new subdivision about 6 months ago and all the pins on the back lines had no caps. This subdivision was not complete but all the back corners were in place and not a single cap.
What's the fine for doing this?
To my knowledge there is no fine.
Policies and rules without serious consequences are worthless.
Monuments with caps are rare as hen's teeth around here.?ÿ Customary is a brass tag, stamped with the surveyor's LS number, wired to a rebar, preferably with monel wire.?ÿ The tag is wired to the rebar a few inches below the exposed top of the rebar,?ÿ so may not be visible without a bit of digging.?ÿ?ÿ
Policies and rules without serious consequences are worthless.
Policies and rules without serious consequences are worthless to a man with no sense of right and wrong [fixed]
Policies and rules without serious consequences are worthless.
In Oklahoma failure to properly affix the proper information to your monuments is considered Failure to Maintain Minimum Standards for the Practice of Land Surveying and carries a minimum fine of $500.?ÿ It can result in a fine as high as $2500 and result in license suspension or revocation.?ÿ
There are a surprising number of surveyors that have been busted for this.?ÿ Generally though it's after multiple documented failures.?ÿ Most "first time offenders" just get a slap on the wrist and a nasty letter.
I have been out staking monuments and discovered that my pouch containing caps was empty and kept setting monuments. Had to come back and put a cap on all the ones missing the ID cap.
There is never getting away from saying that a surveyor is not aware of the rules. Being aware of the rules is part of being able to renew your license and the BOR public notifies what the rules are. As part of renewing the license, it is clearly stated that you have to read or quote the surveyor's oath and acknowledge that fact whether it is done by mail and/or online.
At first notification, the BOR will reprimand the surveyor and if not corrected it will turn into a fine and perhaps $1,500 per episode and eventually suspended license with probable loss of license if the surveyor refuses to comply.
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I have been out staking monuments and discovered that my pouch containing caps was empty and kept setting monuments. Had to come back and put a cap on all the ones missing the ID cap.
It's been a few years but this very scenario played a part in a complaint against a surveyor who needed to return to a job because he ran out of caps.?ÿ After much discussion our State Board determined the date stated on the published survey would be the official date the job was "completed".?ÿ This gives us all a little leeway if we need to get back to a job to possibly "tweak" some details.
- Why do we need regulations telling us to cap our monuments? We should be doing it becasue we take pride in our work. In my opinion putting a piece of metal on the ground with no identification, and then calling it an IP on the plat is an incomplete survey. Why is there resistance to this?
It's so expensive to put a cap on. They cost $2-3. How can a client afford that!!!!
My pet peeve, surveyors are so unprofessional. No caps on their rebars ??ÿ Case closed.
Caps are for city slickers!
Seriously, I'd like aluminum foil caps, built on top of plastic caps. The foil being pretty thick, so as to block uv rays.
Go from 20 yr life span, to a lot more, real fast.
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Nate, aluminum caps if you want something to last longer than plastic ones, going to cost a couple bucks a cap, but hey...
If I'm using plastic caps, I often spray paint them. This adds some years to their lives.
Love the aluminum caps... but be sure to order them with the plastic sleeve insert or the rebar and alum. react and degrade pretty fast.?ÿ ?ÿAlso makes for a tight fit!?ÿ?ÿ
.... New found irons and they are uncapped.
That sounds like litter.
Any responsible citizen would pick up that litter and recycle it.?ÿ
Might cut down on your cost of supplies.?ÿ
If you accept the pins - cap them with an aluminum cap with your LS# on it - file a ROS (if your jurisdiction allows them). You'll probably get a survey or two over the years when people look them up. I'm thinking of having our URL stamped on the caps - cheap, durable advertising.?ÿ
I just found a half dozen capped pins on a line through the woods and all but one of them was chewed by and animal, so they were unreadable about 2 years after being set. Caps are not required in NY and only a few surveyors use them.?ÿ
