I got a call from a guy, last year; he owns about 6 acres in the NE corner of the SW quarter. He has the corner parcel making the NE corner the intersection of the south and west right-of-way lines of the roads, the center lines of which are the north south/east west center lines of the section.
All he wants is the NE corner of his property; the west and south lines of his property are shared with platted subdivisions; he has 6 adjoiners. So he doesn't think I need to survey them. He also wants me to record my survey. Washington is a recording state and by setting my cap; I would need to record, by state law, anyway. I've done some work in this quarter and setting this one corner would be easy. I told him I would need to survey the whole 6 acres though and gave him a price. The property is hilly, but not steep and covered in thick brush. He doesn't live there, it's vacant property.
He called back, earlier this week and wants to know if I can still do his survey.
Would you just set the 1 corner?
Dougie
ONE survey, showing one corner set, the rest found... maybe
We are not in the Rebar sales business,
We are not in the Plat sales business.
We are in the information business.
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Similar call yesterday. Old guy says he has a legal survey that was done by a fellow who has been dead for nearly 30 years. Claims the fellow to the south removed the stakes down there. "Now, all ya gotta do is hook onta the stake the State set fer their rightway and measure down the same distance. That's all." It's about three acres fronting on a US highway, inside the city limits, for which I have searched and searched and found a total of four surveys of record for various parts of that city, none near where he is. The surveyor from 30+ years ago was an on and off type of guy. If he was stone cold sober, he was on. When he wasn't, all bets are off.
Let the client know that by the time you are certain of the location of the one monument, you will also know the location of other monuments.
Set what he wants (within reason) and don't let a paying customer get away.........
I have done this with some regularity (one corner, one side, one line etc.) I usually explain that difference in price between setting one corner, and setting all corners is minimal.
It is possible that the land owner is aware of an encroachment or trespass he does not want entered into public record.
Set the corner, file the survey, and add a statement as follows:
"The scope of this survey was to establish the NE property corner of said parcel, as shown. The boundary lines shown as dashed are (calculated/from deed description/sourced from surveys of record.....), the remaining boundaries were not visited, and there may be site conditions that prove these lines to be incorrect.
I have done this with some regularity (one corner, one side, one line etc.) I usually explain that difference in price between setting one corner, and setting all corners is minimal.
It is possible that the land owner is aware of an encroachment or trespass he does not want entered into public record.
Set the corner, file the survey, and add a statement as follows:
"The scope of this survey was to establish the NE property corner of said parcel, as shown. The boundary lines shown as dashed are (calculated/from deed description/sourced from surveys of record.....), and there may be site conditions that prove these lines to be incorrect.
I'm confused. Isn't there a road intersection at the center of the section? Wouldn't the missing corner be the center? And wouldn't the lines running to the corner be roads?
Tommy Young, post: 374415, member: 703 wrote: I'm confused. Isn't there a road intersection at the center of the section? Wouldn't the missing corner be the center? And wouldn't the lines running to the corner be roads?
Yes, but there is a 60' right-of-way; 30' each side of the center line. He wants the corner set at the right-of-way intersection.
RADAR, post: 374424, member: 413 wrote: Yes, but there is a 60' right-of-way; 30' each side of the center line. He wants the corner set at the right-of-way intersection.
So do you have to break down the section to re-establish the center?
Tommy Young, post: 374447, member: 703 wrote: So do you have to break down the section to re-establish the center?
No, there is a monument there (brass) and it has been accepted as the center of section for all of the surveys in the SW quarter.
RADAR, post: 374400, member: 413 wrote: I got a call from a guy, last year; he owns about 6 acres in the NE corner of the SW quarter. He has the corner parcel making the NE corner the intersection of the south and west right-of-way lines of the roads, the center lines of which are the north south/east west center lines of the section.
All he wants is the NE corner of his property; the west and south lines of his property are shared with platted subdivisions; he has 6 adjoiners. So he doesn't think I need to survey them. He also wants me to record my survey. Washington is a recording state and by setting my cap; I would need to record, by state law, anyway. I've done some work in this quarter and setting this one corner would be easy. I told him I would need to survey the whole 6 acres though and gave him a price. The property is hilly, but not steep and covered in thick brush. He doesn't live there, it's vacant property.
He called back, earlier this week and wants to know if I can still do his survey.
Would you just set the 1 corner?
Dougie
I'm with the "advise-the-guy-how-much-it would-cost-to-do-one-corner-and-how-much-more-it-would-cost-to-set-all-the-corners" crowd. If he still wants only one corner, install the one corner. Maybe there are political reasons he doesn't want other corners monumented. Don't get into the politics, just do what the client wants (as long as it's legal). You're a boundary expert, and he is asking for your expertise for the one corner position.
RADAR, post: 374451, member: 413 wrote: No, there is a monument there (brass) and it has been accepted as the center of section for all of the surveys in the SW quarter.
So you just need to offset the appropriate right-of-way distances to determine the property corner?
I wouldn't have a problem doing a partial survey to just set a single corner.
I would set the corner but it would be dependent on recovering enough control to support it. How can you do the offset without locating at least two more points? I understand that perhaps you already did this and probably billed another client for it but that doesn't mean this guy gets the information for free.
I bet you a nickle that after the dust settles, Mr. Client will ask for dimensions to his NW and SE corners. Oh, and how about calculating a precise area for me?
Probably, with your experience you can do all of this but you should be compensated for it and for cripes sake don't compromise your standards for anyone. Least of all a client.
I get calls like this everyday. I pretty much refuse to stake one line, set one corner, or even look for corners (with no survey).
I won't look for corners because it's retracing boundaries and Kentucky states that retracing boundaries requires a drawing.
I tell people that call me, that by the time that I do the surveying needed to ensure that the one line, or one pin, is in the correct position I could set/verify the remaining corners/lines for a little bit of nothing. I tell them that I would be doing them a disservice to not do a complete survey and that I don't want unhappy clients. Mind you most of my business is on 5 acres or less.
I'll let someone else run out there and do it for free....
