Shawn,
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Shawn,
That thing looks remarkable. Low weight and convenience would likely greatly offset any complaint about pricing if the end user has enough volume.?ÿ I looked at the lastest Trimble robot/scanner device recently, and found that the annual maintenance is about $4,000.?ÿ Does Javad have an anticipated cost of annual maintenance??ÿ
I think this will be hard to compare scanning/total station wise to the Trimble setup. The SX is a much better scanner and much better total station going off of specs.
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26,600 points per second to the Javads 10 points per second.
5,500m shot w/Prism vs Javad no prism ability
800m prismless shots vs Javad 100.
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Not to take away from the Javad at all. This thing looks cool as hell. BUT there is a reason why the Trimble SX costs a ton of money.
I totally agree with you.?ÿ The Trimble unit is absolutely astonishingly good, and there is no way the new Javad can come close to doing what it does.?ÿ What I was getting at was just the annual cost of operation and wondering what Javad was going to charge for that.?ÿ I should have been more specific.?ÿ Sorry about that!
They said I could have one.
But, I have to send a ransom payment!
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Shawn,
That thing looks remarkable. Low weight and convenience would likely greatly offset any complaint about pricing if the end user has enough volume.?ÿ I looked at the lastest Trimble robot/scanner device recently, and found that the annual maintenance is about $4,000.?ÿ Does Javad have an anticipated cost of annual maintenance??ÿ
Some of the questions will be of interest to many might be:
1.?ÿ Are they sure about delivery date?
2.?ÿ New product worries about malfunction, etc.--especially for something that is this remarkable.
3.?ÿ Is there a reason, with latest technology, they are dealing with a laser that only shoots 10 hz and 300 feet to a target.?ÿ I would get worried that it might not nearly reach 300 feet for non-target work in the bright sun.?ÿ Seems like they'd boost the laser.
Javad is truly cutting edge.
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Frank,
I can't speak to the delivery date.?ÿ
It will have a 3 year manufacturer's warranty
It wasn't designed to be a scanner, but he realized he had the components for a minimalist scanner and decided to add it to the capabilities of the J-Mate. It's not designed to replace a dedicated laser scanner.
Shawn,
?ÿ ?ÿ ?ÿ Will you be bring one of these to the TSPS Convention in Galveston in October??ÿ
Hi Scott,
I won't be attending the TSPS Convention this year. Once I have a unit I'll be happy to demonstrate it to any prospective customers.
Wait, didn't Leica have a combined GNSS/TPS a few years ago (around 2008)?
https://hds.leica-geosystems.com/en/Leica-SmartStation_8276.htm
While there are some innovation features of the Javad unit, it isn't entirely a new concept.
Some Leica sales guys could probably set the record straight, BUT my impression is it was never a huge seller, likely due to cost, of course everyone wants a do it all gadget for the price of an entry level TS when you fact it should be priced in the premium tier of GNSS + premium tier TS range minus the efficiencies of combining them so maybe 10-20% less then the two together.
SHG
The main concept of the J-Mate is portability. I believe Leice (first), Trimble and Topcon have some sort of combined robotic total station and RTK system. Each use a heavy total robot with heavy tripods and prism pole. For them, the RTK supports the robot.?ÿ
In the case of the J-Mate, the total station supports the RTK. Most users are getting almost everything with RTK, but still need a total station to get those shots that are not viable or inefficient to collect with RTK. Today, that generally means setting a pair of points, going back to the truck gathering the total station and accessories returning to the pair of points and turning in the remaining points. I believe the J-Mate will considerably change this workflow. Keep the 5lbs J-Mate in your backpack and set it up when needed (no need to return to the truck). Establish the occupation point on the spot. There is no need to occupy with RTK and then occupy with the total station (this is similar to the other combined systems). If available, use the Astro-Seek feature to automatically orient the total station, no need to set a pair (walking to a second point, setting the second point, occupying the second point, setting a backsight target, returning to the total station, returning to the backsight to collect the target, keeping up with the target). The logistical advantage will be compelling I think.
165' range to a gray target for $16,000-$20,000.?ÿ
I love new tech from all manufactures, but this one has me scratching my head.?ÿ
100 meters, is over 300'.
Where'd you get 165'?
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Another (pretty minor) quibble that I noticed right off the bat is having the sensor assembly mounted outboard of the chassis.?ÿ This is okay mechanically as long as the axle is supported deep enough in the box, but it does render the sensor assembly especially vulnerable to mechanical damage.?ÿ Conventional total stations do a good job of not only supporting the assembly on both sides, but the standards also serve to run interference for the scope, protecting it from minor dings.?ÿ Nobody intentionally bangs an instrument into another object, but field work sometimes presents suboptimal conditions, and stuff happens.?ÿ A very lightweight instrument may be even more susceptible to this problem, there being a rough equivalence between strength and mass.
When you think about it...
J-mate in back pack. Walk up, set J-mate on jpod. Do gps obs, and solar. In 5 min, or less. Shoot in 3 rebar, in fnc row, trees overhead.
Shoot fence, fnc cor, some bldg cors, and be done in 10 min.
Otherwise this could take 30 min, depending of how obstructions.
Plus, not having to jump fence, to get bldg corners.
Do another solar, or gps on backsite, and then shoot it with scanner.?ÿ
Seems cool to me.
Jim, cantilever design is always higher maintenance. Hopefully, the carry case will be proctive of the scope.
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I'll give this to Javad....while his products are not for everyone (and especially not for me and the type of work I'm doing these days) he, probably with input from guys like Shawn, Adam, Matt, and others, is the only manufacturer that seems to be developing products geared toward the needs of the solo or very small shop cadastral surveyor. ?ÿ
And while big engineering outfit surveyors are probably doing the bulk of the survey work by dollars billed, it's the guys Javad is developing products for that are surveying the majority of the properties.?ÿ
'That it can automatically calibrate itself via it's automatic sun, or other astronomical object seeking feature' ?ÿ@5:45
Does this instrument have an ephemeris file that can be expanded ?
Just being nosy.
Does this instrument have an ephemeris file that can be expanded ?
I have no specific information about this -- and I'm not sure what you mean by "expanded" -- but I would expect that the ephemeris is part of the firmware and can be updated via the firmware update process.?ÿ
Jim is correct, the ephemeris will be downloaded into the LS.?ÿ
'or other astronomical object seeking feature' ?ÿ@5:45
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What about Polaris, and lunar shots?
Update on development of Javad J-Mate:
In our conference call today, Javad revealed that a tilt compensator with a 15?ø operating range and an accuracy of 0.001?ø (3.6 arc seconds) will replace the level vials that were initially planned. The goal of the J-Mate is to provide centimeter level accuracy within ranges of 100 meters. This sensor should easily allow for this and with the large operating range, should be easy to set up using a J-Pod or tribrach with low precision spirit levels.
The change has added a bit of time to development, but development is continuing at a rapid pace. At Intergeo in Frankfurt, Germany, in October, Javad had six or seven pre-production units on display. The current plan is for me to get a beta version between now and Christmas for thorough testing, and then units are to be sent to the remaining PLS team members for additional testing. The mechanics of the J-Mate have been undergoing extensive testing for months, checking for signs of wear on the moving parts. This has been a ground up design and the team has been moving extremely quickly. I'm definitely excited by this latest development.
I would love to see a good video of actual use Shawn - Lucky dog!
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