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Is the Counter-Clockwise description really so bad?

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(@ken-salzmann)
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I'm describing a sight easement over an adjoiner that will be required to permit a new commercial driveway. It makes sense to start at the common corner, run along the common boundary, then around the easement and back to the POB. This is a counter-clockwise route.

Is that really so bad?

KS

 
Posted : May 21, 2012 11:04 am
(@daniel-s-mccabe)
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I would say it is not so bad, just that our state regs say, whenever possible write it in a clockwise direction, so that is how I do it. If it makes a better description I'd say go for it, unless your state regs say no.

 
Posted : May 21, 2012 11:11 am
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(@kris-morgan)
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It bothers me when people do that. It's difficult to wrap my head around at first as we were all taught to write clockwise and survey counter-clockwise.

 
Posted : May 21, 2012 11:15 am
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I don't care if you turn an angle CC or CCW. I also don't care if you write the desc either CC or CCW. JUST MAKE IT CLOSE, and don't make it run through the neighbors house!

🙂

N

 
Posted : May 21, 2012 11:54 am
(@stephen-johnson)
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I have rarely used CCW. Usually when I did it made a much easier to understand description.

If it works better use it.

B-)

 
Posted : May 21, 2012 11:59 am
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the only people i have heard complain about it are attorneys. i try to always go cw but in the end i follow the water principle - path of least resistance.

 
Posted : May 21, 2012 12:00 pm
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I'm not sure I would even know that it were written that way. I data enter so many deeds I don't watch the screen or the keypad, just the calls. If it closed I'd have no further reason to look at it.

 
Posted : May 21, 2012 12:01 pm
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Do it all the time in situations like yours.

 
Posted : May 21, 2012 12:13 pm
(@sicilian-cowboy)
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Sometimes running it CCW makes more sense, and so long as it's not prohibited in any BOR standards, why not.

Often, if an easement runs along one side of the property, it's easier for the lay person to understand when the courses are not cited 180 degrees to each other in the main and easement descriptions.

 
Posted : May 21, 2012 12:14 pm
(@jim-in-az)
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I guess I don't understand the question...

 
Posted : May 21, 2012 12:18 pm
(@glenn-breysacher)
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Whatever is easiest for others to follow, which should also be reason behind your choice of words/vocabulary. You yourself said it makes more sense to write it that way.

 
Posted : May 21, 2012 1:06 pm
(@holy-cow)
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It should not make an iota of difference in the integrity of the description. That foolish clockwise-only requirement that some seem to have adopted is ridiculous. The example provided is proof that many times it makes far more sense to go counterclockwise. This is extremely important in cases where a specific leg of a tract may be unknown or subject to change thus allowing one to add the phrase, "more or less" to a dimension yet creating an indisputable description.

 
Posted : May 21, 2012 1:11 pm
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I kinda remember there was a reason for Counter-Clockwise once... maybe it was some ancient software that failed on the area calc.

Use what works.

 
Posted : May 21, 2012 1:36 pm
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Most people under 30 don't know how to read an analog clock, so I don't think it matters anymore.

 
Posted : May 21, 2012 1:38 pm
(@nate-the-surveyor)
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D'yup you got it Peter! it was all due to some software needing CC, to computer area properly. And, if the deed checker was using it to check your desc, well, they failed you, if it did not give the "right" answer!

N

 
Posted : May 21, 2012 1:57 pm
(@peter-ehlert)
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no sabe "analog" 😛

 
Posted : May 21, 2012 2:21 pm
(@a-harris)
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I only go clockwise. 😉

An old version of Cogo I use frequently will not give the correct area unless input is clockwise.

Begin the description at that monument
Reference the monument at the other end of that boundary as a reference with bearing and distance
Describe the new limits clockwise and back to that boundary and close along the boundary.

np

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Posted : May 21, 2012 2:44 pm
 SOJ
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:good:

 
Posted : May 21, 2012 2:51 pm
(@browja50)
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Always clockwise. Just like I was taught years ago. I like working with angles right.

 
Posted : May 21, 2012 3:08 pm
(@james-vianna)
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might just be a local thing, but I was taught clockwise for fee, counter-clockwise for easement

 
Posted : May 21, 2012 3:40 pm
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