recently a City I work in has asked for this on the certificate (part of a remodel/addition set of plans)
I would say no since the gas meter is not owned by the homeowner and would not be covered under their policy. However, cities ask for certain items to be included on elevation certificates all the time that aren't necessarily required by FEMA. If they want it, just add it to the notes.
I had a heated discussion about these, water meters, electric meters, and electrical panels with the FEMA presenter at my last seminar. While I can see the need to check the electric panel, because it is privately owned and depending on the location for ADA access, the others are owned by a utility which should have their own insurance if needed. When she stated the water meter, I asked if they shouldn't already be water proof (ya think?). I also ask the client if they are on a well and what kind of pump it may have. This has caused some confusion also when I note in the comments the structure is served by a submersible water pump. I have been told they need the elevation on the top of the pump. Isn't "submersible" the key word about the effect water has on the pump?
Interesting. This has never come up in all my years of doing these.
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There is a municipality in Central Florida that requires a EC's for pool pump pads. Go figure......
Whatever floats yer boat, I guess. It's a bit like asking what is the absolutely lowest thing of any kind, other than soil, that lies within the boundaries of the tract. My best guess for my home site is that it would be the bottom end of the pipe that reaches into the well so that my windmill will actually do what windmills are supposed to do. Next would be the bottom of the power pole to which my electric meter is attached (down about 5 feet below ground level).
FL/GA PLS., post: 424492, member: 379 wrote: [USER=50]@Holy Cow[/USER]
There is a municipality in Central Florida that requires a EC's for pool pump pads. Go figure......
Next they'll want a certificate for the pool itself, that could be horrible if it were to get wet.
roger_LS, post: 424494, member: 11550 wrote: Next they'll want a certificate for the pool itself, that could be horrible if it were to get wet.
Need the lowest elevation...glub glub glub....
roger_LS, post: 424494, member: 11550 wrote: Next they'll want a certificate for the pool itself, that could be horrible if it were to get wet.
An empty one could pop out during a flood.
The electric meter flooding could result in fire.
Gas meter... I don't know. It is mechanical but I believe waterproof. If has does not leak out then water should not leak in.
I tend to show everything below the BFE in an image or two added to the notes. I put a tape from the lowest floor up in the image for the elevation reference. If nothing else, it will provide a better record of all the existing items after a flood decimates a home.
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Bottoms of pools around here would be below sea level.
Although I can't find it now, I have seen a "how to" that referenced the bottom of the electric meter for flood certs. If there is no other eq. available and the form requires an equipment elevation I guess we have to give them what they want at that point.... Given that info, if the gas meter could come into question, I would say taking a measurement to it and a photo wouldn't hurt.
It states on the new instructions that requesters can ask for additional machinery besides say the normal AC unit that is popular.
My gas meter was replaced a year or so ago with a "smart meter". I think it has its own wifi. Anyway, the meter reader no longer has to enter the property to get the latest value so I don't think it's strictly mechaniical.
The point I was trying to make to the FEMA instructor, and above, is that some equipment which effects the building are not owned by the homeowner and therefore, should not be subject to their insurance policy. In our area, if a house is considered abandoned, the electric company, water purveyor, and gas company remove their property (meters). If we get utilities marked, they same companies will only mark the equipment they control, which is usually the lines to the meters and the meters. I like the pool idea. It reminds me of our company joke of flushing the toilet numerous times to get the mean level for measuring while doing condo work.
Electric panels I can understand because sometimes the panel can be located in a garage which elevates the living quarters to above the BFE.
spledeus, post: 424616, member: 3579 wrote: An empty one could pop out during a flood.
The electric meter flooding could result in fire.
Gas meter... I don't know. It is mechanical but I believe waterproof. If has does not leak out then water should not leak in.
I tend to show everything below the BFE in an image or two added to the notes. I put a tape from the lowest floor up in the image for the elevation reference. If nothing else, it will provide a better record of all the existing items after a flood decimates a home.
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How does a pool stay empty doing a flood?
Scott Ellis, post: 425125, member: 7154 wrote: How does a pool stay empty doing a flood?
Let's say the homeowner emptied his fiberglass pool prior to the flood. At the time the water table was low enough to prevent the pool from floating. Then here comes the rain and the water table rises. The pool could easily float before the actual flood water reaches the house. Hypothetically of course.
Pop out just like coffins in Louisiana.
we have that concern here during Hurricanes... they could suck all the water out of a pool. that would suck.
andrewm, post: 425131, member: 10888 wrote: Let's say the homeowner emptied his fiberglass pool prior to the flood. At the time the water table was low enough to prevent the pool from floating. Then here comes the rain and the water table rises. The pool could easily float before the actual flood water reaches the house. Hypothetically of course.
Fema has a few photos
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