Kent
I can't tell where he is located from the video or his profile.
But he's in his 40s, he skis and he has a lot of Band videos but honest, it's not me!
Kent
"since 6:00 PM is in Colorado, one has to suppose that this is a Colorado thing."
Right there is your mistake. Nowhere is it stated that this is being put forth as standard practice, it is just a video of how someone reset a point. Assumptions are not sound logic.
As to ILCs, they are an abomination and I personally refuse to do them. That said, they are not unique to Colorado-they are your common mortgage survey (also performed in Texas). I however wouldn't be foolish enough to assume that they are unique to Texas.
good one Kent
"Zombie Surveyor" thanks for the mental image.
good one Kent
If we are to narrow the definition of "zombie surveyor", apart from from one who blindly follows procedures one might include unsound assumptions, leaps of logic and not doing one's homework.
good one Kent
> "Zombie Surveyor" thanks for the mental image.
Yes, I thought that zombie was pretty descriptive of the sleepwalking style of practice.
Kent
> As to ILCs, they are an abomination and I personally refuse to do them.
Okay, you're in Colorado and when your employers tell you you've got a whole fistful of ILCs to do, you just refuse? Aren't you a little worried that there are ten Colorado surveyors waiting to get some of that action?
Kent> Not I
I don't do mortgage plot plans either, that's what they are called here in MA. $140 per plan and I am not in the least concerned with the "line of surveyors" waiting to do them.
Those surveyors are not my competition.....
I do instrument survey's only, and I may not do many for closings but when I do they are worth more than the paper they are printed on, which is more than I can say for a Mortgage Plot Plan...
I am wondering why they are using equipment and technology that is about 25 years old! Also, I have never seen a deed that ties to an actual house corner. From the video, they seem to be sloppy surveyors.
Kent
Ask yourself that for Texas mortgage surveys.
I am fortunate to not work for a survey sweat shop and have the freedom to refuse them.
good one Kent
How about "zombie forum commenter"?
Kent> Not I
> I don't do mortgage plot plans either, that's what they are called here in MA. $140 per plan and I am not in the least concerned with the "line of surveyors" waiting to do them.
Yes, but you aren't in Colorado. Evidently there are lots of surveyors there who specialize in the ILCs, which are reportedly pieces of paper that would appear to the undiscerning member of the public to be a map of the property they are about to buy, but which attempt to convince them that they've actually paid money for something that isn't really a survey by saying "this isn't a survey" or something like that.
When you have enough of that going on, who knows what sort of zombie stuff it will lead to?
Kent
> I am fortunate to not work for a survey sweat shop and have the freedom to refuse them.
Okay, so your employer doesn't do ILCs and so you don't have to do them? Does this free you up to take care of resetting original monuments that have been knocked out?
Kent
Kent, you have failed to effectively justify your position of the weak logical leap that this video is representative of Colorado standards of practice and you have now changed the subject to mortgage surveys somehow being unique to Colorado. Stay on track and pay attention please. Focus like a laser beam and address your errors.
Kent
> Kent, you have failed to effectively justify your position of the weak logical leap that this video is representative of Colorado standards of practice ...
Actually, aren't you the guy who claims not to be engaged in the standard Colorado-style ILC surveying but wants to have opinions about Colorado "standards"? There is definitely a disconnect there if the prevailing ILC product produced by Colorado surveyors is something that is claimed not even to be the product of a survey (while of course presenting itself to the public as a piece of paper that sure looks like a survey map).
Kent
Like a laser beam, Kent...just try to stay on subject. Still awaiting an answer that doesn't involve the flimsy assertion that mortgage surveys are unique to Colorado and representative of Colorado standards in general.
Kent
> Like a laser beam, Kent...just try to stay on subject.
Well, let's review here a moment. 6:00 PM posted a video and suggested he was trying to decide what to make of it. As I originally posted, that is the sort of thing that no living professional surveyor I know would wonder about for even two seconds. Zombies would, though, I'll bet you.
Zombies would also prefer to do mainly ILCs, I'd also think. Zombie surveyors > ILC > Colorado.
Kent
> > Like a laser beam, Kent...just try to stay on subject.
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> Well, let's review here a moment. 6:00 PM posted a video and suggested he was trying to decide what to make of it. As I originally posted, that is the sort of thing that no living professional surveyor I know would wonder about for even two seconds. Zombies would, though, I'll bet you.
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> Zombies would also prefer to do mainly ILCs, I'd also think. Zombie surveyors > ILC > Colorado.
Apart from your continued incorrect assertion that mortgage surveys are unique to Colorado, I once again point out your faulty logic that posting a video for discussion's sake and holding it up as good procedure are 2 different things. An undeniable failure to make your case.
Kent
Mr. Diekman,
After reading this thread, I find your avatar rather appropriate.
🙂
Kent
> Mr. Diekman,
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> After reading this thread, I find your avatar rather appropriate.
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> 🙂
Yes, arguing on the internet is much like a crazy man fighting windmills.
Peace and happy new year to anyone unfortunate enough to have read this thread!
Kent
> Apart from your continued incorrect assertion that mortgage surveys are unique to Colorado, I once again point out your faulty logic that posting a video for discussion's sake and holding it up as good procedure are 2 different things.
See, you've made my point again for me. You're in Colorado, but I don't know a single professional surveyor who would give that whole business even two seconds consideration. So, what is the most reasonable inference other than that Colorado standards are so low that zombie surveying practices are a hot topic of discussion?
What's next, a lengthy post wondering whether it's a good idea to use a tall aluminum rod around high-tension power lines near the ground?
