Monument resetting fundamentals
> Hhhhmmmm
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Kent
Kent
I am a little baffled; usually you are a little more clever or at least a on track, coupled with clever discourse. Neither holds true tonight.
Attempting to stay on track, I submit the 'resetting' surveyor was merely repositioning the monument to fit the calls, so that he would not have to reconcile the field measurements verses the called for monuments.
The author of the video even mentioned 'pin cushion' -
To what end"?
Setting a new monument next to that hunk of concrete pulled out of the ground?
I have to wonder how the distance in the opposite direction jibed with the deed call.
Maybe if he does a survey on that parcel, he will readjust the the POB monument to check.
Monument resetting fundamentals
I don't Know? Something bothers me about the first video.
Now Kent's video, those 2 were 1st class!
I guess is was something about the un-plumb rod. Shabby spade work in loose dirt. A sharp shooter would have been a better tool. Never showing taking a final shot on the set pipe. Let alone not showing recording the set. I'm not real sure about resetting another surveyors monument as if it's was always there. Then why would it be a pincushion if it was lying on top of the ground? Kind of make me wonder?
But I have the grave stone thing down!
jjp
Kent
> I am a little baffled; usually you are a little more clever or at least a on track, coupled with clever discourse. Neither holds true tonight.
Actually, who would seriously consider what was described in the zombie surveyor video you posted to be acceptable procedure, i.e. "resetting" a concrete monument by stomping it into the ground using only a tie from a house, er "residence" to determine its position? Nobody? Right.
So, at least the video I posted amounts to some useful information. May not help the zombies, though, I admit.
Kent
Yea! I agree! With Kent!
Kent
But Kent, he did stomp on it with his foot. It should last quite a long time.
Probably an ILC, Bryan
> But Kent, he did stomp on it with his foot. It should last quite a long time.
Bryan, they probably were doing one of those ILC things that they have in Colorado. You can tell it wasn't an ALTA/ACSM-standard effort because there wasn't a can or two of flourescent orange sprayed everywhere after the knot of concrete with the pipe in it was stomped back "right where it had originally been placed".
No, Bryan
> > But Kent, he did stomp on it with his foot. It should last quite a long time.
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> Bryan, they probably were doing one of those ILC things that they have in Colorado. You can tell it wasn't an ALTA/ACSM-standard effort because there wasn't a can or two of flourescent orange sprayed everywhere after the knot of concrete with the pipe in it was stomped back "right where it had originally been placed".
Haha, clearly that was a great concrete job done in the past. I don't know how that would have gotten displaced. There must have easily been several cubic inches of that stuff! Fort Knox is jealous.
No, Bryan
> Haha, clearly that was a great concrete job done in the past. I don't know how that would have gotten displaced. There must have easily been several cubic inches of that stuff!
Yes, the real purpose of the concrete in Colorado is obviously to provide a solid surface to stomp on.
Monument resetting fundamentals
Did anyone notice that it appears that the prism target did not match the one used for that type of distance meter setup?
Monument resetting fundamentals
any bets on his shovel hitting the original monument while he was digging? apparently was too troubling to break out the bug
Monument resetting fundamentals
I'm wondering in what position was the monument was reset?
Was it reset merely to check his distance?
Was the monument reset due to poor and unstable condition?
He says the monument was "dug up" - Does he really mean destroyed?
Where there other ties to render the monument out of position?
Did his plat merely state found pipe?
Is this pipe a property corner or a controlling monument for the survey?
If this action is to be considered a rehabilitation of an existing monument, why did he not honor the position of the monument rather than move it to where he wanted it?
The tie was a distance of 235' from the SW House Corner.
When was that measurement taken; by who and how?
Does that tie distance control over others?
If this was a rehabilitation, why did he not set his own pin & cap?
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I'm guessing that the disturbed pipe is a property corner and the 235' is a tie on a previous survey plat that shows a distance back to the house. Rather than traversing to other undisturbed monuments for the subject property and the adjoining parcels to verify the correct location, the surveyor simply repositioned that pipe to to fit a rouge call on a drawing, to save him the trouble of 4 hours additional work.
Monument resetting fundamentals
Obviously a 5 minute video doesn't show everything.
The monument appears to have just been sitting on top of the ground.
We are fortunate here when we find a monument disturbed like that we set a new tagged monument and the record we file explains exactly what we did. I would not reset a monument found lying on the ground but maybe it's necessary in some places where you can't make a record of the new monument.
Monument resetting fundamentals
I don't think the fellow gave enough info as to why he put the monument where he did. Maybe he did actually survey the lot, but who knows?
I wouldn't have used that hunk of concrete and pipe, it didn't look like it was very stable, and the next mowing crew would very likely knock it out of position again.
Why did they even video this and post it, I wonder? The video quality was horrible, and the camera was too far away to really see what was happening. The narration was really lacking any substance.
Monument resetting fundamentals
> I don't think the fellow gave enough info as to why he put the monument where he did. Maybe he did actually survey the lot, but who knows?
That's why we, as professionals, need to urge our Boards of Registration to enact mandatory YouTube video record of survey legislation. How are we supposed to follow in the footsteps of this video if it doesn't include all the pertinent boundary determination information?
Monument resetting fundamentals
Maybe a good surveying education should include a stint at a notable film school?
Kent
Sad to see that Kent's ego and flawed logic have continued on this forum after he departed rpls.com.
6th PM posted a video not as an example of acceptable Colorado procedure but to raise various questions; somehow Mr. McMillan used this to slight Colorado. I see the childish antics and logical fallacies have not really changed. Disappointing for someone of his many years.
I haven't checked yet to see the extent of his grandiose delusions of Texas surveying difficulty here, but they are better left ignored anyway.
Kent
Corey-
Methinks young Kent's video is an illustration of a modernized video trope on the theme.
'T'were here in Ontario, depending on the cover, I'd replace said point on best evidence rules with a 1" square 4 foot (or 2 foot) long iron bar.
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/english/elaws_regs_910525_e.htm
But, it is of overall interest that someone took the time to try and preserve what had been illegally moved.
YOS
DGG
Kent
> 6th PM posted a video not as an example of acceptable Colorado procedure but to raise various questions; somehow Mr. McMillan used this to slight Colorado.
Well, the "questions" wouldn't really be questions anywhere in the universe of living professional surveyors I know. So, since 6:00 PM is in Colorado, one has to suppose that this is a Colorado thing. I mean you guys have these "ILC" things up there, right? What else is a warranted conclusion other than that there are a different set of standards up there for what is zombie surveying and what is professional?