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HELP! Trimble S6 not measuring to prism

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I'm using a Trimble S6 Robot and with a TSC2 Running Access. The strangest thing is happening, I lock on to my 360 prism, edm in track mode and take shots without using Active ID. All of a sudden, after many shots the gun is no longer getting a distance, even if i press enter to store measurement, "Error, no distance".

to "fix it" I tried following

-turning track to standard and back again, no dice

-turn off autolock and turn it on again, nothing

-switch to DR and then back to Prism mode, that's what did the trick.

No problems for the rest of the day. 2 days later, the same thing happens and i went through the same steps and got it to work again the same way. Am I missing something here? or is my S6 bugging out on me.

 
Posted : April 24, 2014 7:05 am
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Might try re-booting the TSC2. Sometimes it hangs up in DR mode. For most issues that works for me.

 
Posted : April 24, 2014 7:38 am
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I periodically "calibrate" the S6, which is several steps including making sure the autolock is locked on the middle of the prism. This may not have anything to do with your problem, but is a good thing to do occasionally. If it is not on the center of the prism, the gun applies a correction, but this can change over time.

 
Posted : April 24, 2014 8:02 am
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Not sure of the S6, but my 5600 robot has an internal battery that needs Dr Trimble to replace every few years. It gets a bit flaky before it pukes out though. Plus the prism has a battery

My TSC2 gets moody too and I have to re-boot it once in a while, especially if going with GPS one day, then robotic, then back to GPS. All in all things go good, but they aren't bullet proof.

I'd be calling your dealer

 
Posted : April 24, 2014 8:13 am
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This probably won't help you, but I have something similar happen with my Topcon QS with Topsurv: after behaving normally for a while, it will follow and track the prism, but not measure. I fix it by re-locking on the prism, or by changing the measurement precision, both of which makes it re-measure. Then it behaves normally again. I figure it must be yet another software problem.

Robots have been around for a while now - you would think that the manufacturers would have these things working more smoothly by now.

 
Posted : April 24, 2014 8:22 am
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I think I happens 1 or 2 a year, no clue why but switching to DR and back solved it ...
Chr.

 
Posted : April 24, 2014 8:39 am
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I'm starting to dislike robotics in downtown settings- the leica seems to like fixing to and shooting high polished vehicle rims about a 1/3 of the time.

 
Posted : April 24, 2014 10:36 am
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Which is why Trimble offers the option of the multitrack prism...

 
Posted : April 24, 2014 11:06 am
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> I'm starting to dislike robotics in downtown settings- the leica seems to like fixing to and shooting high polished vehicle rims about a 1/3 of the time.

This one is kind of confusing to me. A robot only does what you tell it to do. They aren't beagles who don't listen, they are your bread and butter and will do what you tell it to do.

I bought my first one circa 1995, a Geodimeter (forgot the number - 4800 maybe?). Topcon was famous for tracking signs, orange vests, & traffic lights, but I think they fixed that. I thought Leica (Wild) hung on the coat tails of Trimble (Geodimeter) technology to eliminate that issue, but it seems not. Not sure. I'm not necessarily a Trimble guy, but it does seem to be the equipment I've preferred for the past 20 plus yrs in business. And I'm still confused by TGO or whatever they call it now.

The problems with robots in downtown settings is the people driving their cars over curbs, or the periodic kid who wants his "picture taken" when you're 600 ft away. Don't blame the robot. Give it the respect it deserves, and remember that it is just one tool in the truck. Lots of ways to skin a cat.....

 
Posted : April 24, 2014 11:50 am
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Very Likel It Is The Filter Mechanism

Trimble uses the same laser for prism or prismless shots. To prevent the full laser power from reflecting full strength back from a prism and overpowering the receiver it powers a filter down before turning on the laser. You can usually hear the motion. My filter motor went out and had to go back to be replaced. I would suspect your mechanism is sticking. By going to prismless mode you can get it to return the filter to the out of way position. Eventually I would imagine it will stay stuck.

Paul in PA

 
Posted : April 24, 2014 2:29 pm
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Very Likel It Is The Filter Mechanism

> Trimble uses the same laser for prism or prismless shots. To prevent the full laser power from reflecting full strength back from a prism and overpowering the receiver it powers a filter down before turning on the laser. You can usually hear the motion. My filter motor went out and had to go back to be replaced. I would suspect your mechanism is sticking. By going to prismless mode you can get it to return the filter to the out of way position. Eventually I would imagine it will stay stuck.
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> Paul in PA

I guess I will be paying a visit to my dealer soon. I'm going to use it a few more weeks and see if it becomes more frequent.

 
Posted : April 24, 2014 2:33 pm
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Thanks!

Thanks everyone for the thoughts. Much Appreciated!:-D

 
Posted : April 24, 2014 2:34 pm
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Very Likel It Is The Filter Mechanism

@ Paul
Makes sense!
thanks.

Keep us posted about the findings when you send the gun in.

chr.

 
Posted : April 25, 2014 3:51 am
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Update

Just dropped it off at my repair shop.

There was a new development. When in prism mode, the gun isn't getting a distance past 70 feet, but it still maintains lock...
This is becoming a real mystery to me.

My repair guy says it sounds like the filter motor. Should be getting it back by Monday/Tuesday

 
Posted : April 26, 2014 12:26 pm
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SO i got it back today, repair guy said he couldn't replicate the problem, typical right? 😐

I go run a set up back at the office, and it only measures up to 80+- feet and still holds lock! I tried to switch to dr and back to "reset it" it does get measurements in DR mode ill note. Upon switching back i can reestablish lock, but still no distance!

But for some reason, every time i get back to abut 10 feet from the gun, It gets me a distance, but i always lose it at the 80 feet.

HELP?:-/

 
Posted : April 29, 2014 11:08 am