I was told by the local tax/recorder office for surveys where I live. When pins to a property are found this is not a survey. So none is recorded.
It sounds like your "Local" recorder has instituted local standards as he/she interpreted them. Is there not "State Standards" where you work that must be adhered to??
That is probably poor interpretation of the requirements. It may not be MANDATORY to RECORD a survey where all record monuments are found in place. Perhaps only surveys creating new tracts MUST BE RECORDED. Any and every survey CAN BE recorded in some manner, but, it may not be MANDATORY in your State.
I was told by the local tax/recorder office for surveys where I live. When pins to a property are found this is not a survey. So none is recorded.
Not quite sure what you mean by "pins found". Are you asking about recovered and verified monuments shown on a recent survey plat prepared by a licensed land surveyor or some recovered monuments found by the property owner or some one else? If there is no survey plat there is not anything to be recorded. Maybe I am missing the point of your question.
Ron:-)
> I was told by the local tax/recorder office for surveys where I live. When pins to a property are found this is not a survey. So none is recorded.
This appears to be a continuation of a previous thread started by zebra. [msg]207944[/msg]
Quoting the first message in that thread:
>Fence (Land Surveying)
>by zebra, Tuesday, May 21, 2013, 17:53 (7 days ago)
>I installed a privacy fence two years ago. I discussed the property line with my neighbor. Using their garage as the property line. They agreed to the fence being installed. I put the fence a foot from the garage. Our garages are (approximately 8 feet apart) the neighbor agreed I could put a flower bed between the garages, since I always maintained this area. In preparing the area I removed a lot of creek rock and dug a foot deep. Now two years later they had a surveyor find the property pins. One of the pins is between the garages. (I never found any surveyor pins during the preparation for the flower bed.) The pin at the front of my property is not in alignment with the pin between the garages. I installed the fence in alignment with the front pin. I can not see the pins only the surveyors caps. The surveyor plates from 1909 show the property is 55 ft wide front and back. The caps from the surveyor show it at an angle going inward on my property. Making my fence approximately 5 inches on their property. They have now decided to install their own privacy fence one foot from my fence going by the front pin. (Their garage would be the property line.) I discussed having two fences back to back would be a safety issue for kids and animals. If I remove my fence can I still use the land (one foot) that was going to be between the fences? Or should I still try and find the 1909 surveyor pins? Problem solved if they are in a different location than the caps the surveyor has installed.
>No codes or regulations for fences in my area.
In the previous thread zebra also stated he lives in Ohio and there was discussion of recording requirements. I am licensed in Ohio and recording is NOT required unless a new parcel is created. Ohio Law (Ohio Revised Code 4733.01) defines surveying:
>(F) "Practice of surveying" means any professional service that requires the application of special knowledge of the principles of mathematics, the related physical and applied sciences, and the relevant requirements of law for the adequate performance of the art of surveying, including, but not limited to, measuring the area or the contours of any portion of the earth's surface, the lengths and directions of the bounding lines, and the contour of the surface, for their correct determination and description and for conveyancing for recording, or for the establishment or re-establishment of land boundaries and the platting of lands and subdivisions; and like measurements and operations involved in the surveying of mines, commonly known as "mine surveying." (Emphasis added)
The County Recorder would not know if a private survey was completed. However, if someone has recovered or replaced original corner pins and set a line pin it should have been done by a Professional Surveyor licensed in Ohio. I have also had clients mistake a temporary (wood stake) set off the property line for a property line point. Points of this type are often set to work around obstructions (garage?) on the actual property line. The surveyor caps he mentions should be on an iron pin or in an iron pipe set by the current surveyor. These should show one of the following, surveyor's name, registration number or company name. If zebra has been trying to contact (see previous thread) the surveyor he can check the cap information online http://peps.ohio.gov/LicenseLookup.aspx to verify the individual/company is currently licensed. Only if the surveyor is licensed and verifies that the point in question was set on line should it be trusted.
Question to zebra. Has your neighbor shown you a copy of a plat of survey signed and sealed (stamped) by a Professional Surveyor? If the neighbor has such a plat ask for a copy and use it to consult a local attorney regarding the best way to address your concerns. Beyond knowing what the capped pins/pipes represent your concerns are legal questions rather than surveying questions.
He seems to not want to talk with a surveyor or seek legal advice about title issues. In agreement with your opinion of his needing to do so. He has received some good guidance from those who responded to him, now it is time for him to sort it all out and obtain competent local guidance from professionals. This board has done all it can for him, he now needs to cut bait or go home.
jud
> He seems to not want to talk with a surveyor or seek legal advice about title issues. In agreement with your opinion of his needing to do so. He has received some good guidance from those who responded to him, now it is time for him to sort it all out and obtain competent local guidance from professionals. This board has done all it can for him, he now needs to cut bait or go home.
> jud
I totally agree... All that I could think was "here we go again"...
Dallas has given some great advice above, but "zebra" doesn't seem to understand that there are many, many, many hundred different things at play that a professional will know off the top of his head and it took years of surveying in his locality to acquire that knowledge.
The beginning comment of this thread was so disjointed that I had to re-read it several times to deduce that "sometimes field surveys don't require that a plat be recorded" (duh)... a Professional Surveyor in practice will know such things.
zebra... Please... Just get it surveyed... By an Ohio Licensed Professional Surveyor. You'll be much more satisfied with his resolutions than what people from all over the country can try to add not knowing your specific localities planning, zoning, recording, building, etc. restrictions and covenants are.
> > I was told by the local tax/recorder office for surveys where I live. When pins to a property are found this is not a survey. So none is recorded.
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> This appears to be a continuation of a previous thread started by zebra. [msg]207944[/msg]
> Question to zebra. Has your neighbor shown you a copy of a plat of survey signed and sealed (stamped) by a Professional Surveyor? If the neighbor has such a plat ask for a copy and use it to consult a local attorney regarding the best way to address your concerns. Beyond knowing what the capped pins/pipes represent your concerns are legal questions rather than surveying questions.
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