Anyone know what triggers an Eloma audit. I understand the first one you do will probably get an audit but I have been unsuccessful geting one through on the first try. Not sure if it matters but my business operation is located in the Tidewater area of Virginia.
No, but I would guess the "Tidewater" may be it. My first was audited, but the next 5 went through as quick as a mouse click. They were all straight forward known flood elevations Zone A to C.
Sorry this is not an answer, just wanted to share.
I submitted about 5 and every one was audited, but eventually approved. I gave up on elomas and just mail the package.
> I submitted about 5 and every one was audited, but eventually approved. I gave up on elomas and just mail the package.
TPR,
That was exactly what I experienced. It seemed that the audits mainly concentrated on how a site was identified (Subd., Phase, Section, Lot, CaPiTaLiZaTiOn, recording data, etc...) It also seemed that the 'preferred' method of entering that data changed every submission.
Now I just submit them through:
It is similar to the paper submission, but I scan everything and upload it.
You might want to check it out. I have had no issue with getting them approved and have not had to play the silly 'capitalize this letter this time, but remember not to the next time' game.
OK fema - the bfe is 8 and the lowest adjacent grade is 8.4. Why do you guys need:
Required Submission Documents
Please submit the following items (please include the eLOMA tracking number with your submittal):
-Copy of the Plat Map for the property (with recordation data and stamp of the Recorder’s Office)
OR
-Copy of the property Deed (with recordation data and stamp of the Recorder’s Office), accompanied by a tax assessor’s map or other certified map showing the surveyed location of the property relative to local streets and watercourses
AND
-Copy of the effective NFIP map panel on which the property location has been accurately plotted (certified by a registered professional engineer or licensed land surveyor).
-Elevation Form showing the Lowest Adjacent Grade (for a structure) or the Lowest Lot Elevation (for a legally recorded parcel of land)
-Documentation of how the Base Flood Elevation (BFE) for the Subject property was determined. This should include a copy of the effective FIRM showing the Subject property in relation to the flooding source, flood zone designation (AE, AH, or A1-A30), or FIS Profile cross sections; a copy of the FIS Profile with the scaled location of the Subject property (when applicable); a copy of the FIS Summary of Stillwater Elevations Table (when applicable).
-Please include a map scale and North arrow on all maps submitted
Instructions for you to obtain the required FIRM panel, FBFM panel, Property Deed, Subdivision and Plat Map
Deed or Plat - A requester must obtain a recorded deed or plat from the County/Parish Clerk, Recorder, or Register of Deeds for the community.
FIRM or FBFM - The FIRM should be available at the community map repository or from the community official or agency responsible for floodplain management. However, the FIRM index and FIRM panels may be ordered from the FEMA Map Service Center (MSC), for a nominal fee. To place orders from the MSC, interested parties may visit MSC website at http://www.msc.fema.gov and click on the "FEMA Flood Map Store" link. (For some communities, the effective NFIP map may be a Flood Hazard Boundary Map (FHBM), not a FIRM. In such cases, the requestor should obtain and use the FHBM.)
WHAT A WASTE OF TIME
Audited every time here.
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> WHAT A WASTE OF TIME
What a money making deal. Scan, reference, annotate, plot!! FEMA is working with a check list! Fill in the blanks.
You know the LAG is above the BFE. Fill out the FEMA requests and charge for your time.
DDSM(CFM)
> OK fema - the bfe is 8 and the lowest adjacent grade is 8.4. Why do you guys need:
>
> Required Submission Documents
> Please submit the following items (please include the eLOMA tracking number with your submittal):
> -Copy of the Plat Map for the property (with recordation data and stamp of the Recorder’s Office)
> OR
> -Copy of the property Deed (with recordation data and stamp of the Recorder’s Office), accompanied by a tax assessor’s map or other certified map showing the surveyed location of the property relative to local streets and watercourses
>
> AND
>
> -Copy of the effective NFIP map panel on which the property location has been accurately plotted (certified by a registered professional engineer or licensed land surveyor).
> -Elevation Form showing the Lowest Adjacent Grade (for a structure) or the Lowest Lot Elevation (for a legally recorded parcel of land)
> -Documentation of how the Base Flood Elevation (BFE) for the Subject property was determined. This should include a copy of the effective FIRM showing the Subject property in relation to the flooding source, flood zone designation (AE, AH, or A1-A30), or FIS Profile cross sections; a copy of the FIS Profile with the scaled location of the Subject property (when applicable); a copy of the FIS Summary of Stillwater Elevations Table (when applicable).
> -Please include a map scale and North arrow on all maps submitted
> Instructions for you to obtain the required FIRM panel, FBFM panel, Property Deed, Subdivision and Plat Map
> Deed or Plat - A requester must obtain a recorded deed or plat from the County/Parish Clerk, Recorder, or Register of Deeds for the community.
> FIRM or FBFM - The FIRM should be available at the community map repository or from the community official or agency responsible for floodplain management. However, the FIRM index and FIRM panels may be ordered from the FEMA Map Service Center (MSC), for a nominal fee. To place orders from the MSC, interested parties may visit MSC website at http://www.msc.fema.gov and click on the "FEMA Flood Map Store" link. (For some communities, the effective NFIP map may be a Flood Hazard Boundary Map (FHBM), not a FIRM. In such cases, the requestor should obtain and use the FHBM.)
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> WHAT A WASTE OF TIME
That's standard stuff for a LOMA. Play their game by their rules and charge for it.
That's standard stuff for a LOMA. Play their game by their rules and charge for it.
Please don't get me wrong - I do know the value of government red tape. I just think it is ridiculous to put this "Eloma" product out there and say it will speed up the process when in realty you plan on auditing almost every one that lands on the FEMA desk. I would even be alright with the audit if I was given a reason for it. The whole process seems like job security for some bureaucrat.
Hello Scott,
I have a brief question. You mentioned elomas for flood zones A through C.
I had a situation where the house was clearly in Zone B. The instructions for eloma at that time stated that elomas where only possible in A zones. I called two different people at FEMA and both said that an eloma was not possible for a B Zone.
Have you found this to be different?
Stephen Zitkovich
I think he was saying that the eloma was changing the site from zone a TO zone c. Not indicating an inclusive list from zone a THROUGH zone c.
Like Brad said, I was not very clear. Mine are simple moving the property from Zone A into Zone C as the end result.
I asked the eLOMA manager why we kept getting audited and he said it was possibly because we do not submit a large volume electronically (many of our LOMA requests are for Zone A, no BFE). He did tell me the one that he had just audited was because the house a couple of doors down had received a LOMA and that if the Lat Long was close to an existing LOMA it got audited.
Agree that it is frustrating, I find that if I email the required audit info I get the approval the same day.
survey4ya, post: 213544, member: 2430 wrote: OK fema - the bfe is 8 and the lowest adjacent grade is 8.4. Why do you guys need:
Required Submission Documents
Please submit the following items (please include the eLOMA tracking number with your submittal):
-Copy of the Plat Map for the property (with recordation data and stamp of the RecorderÛªs Office)
OR
-Copy of the property Deed (with recordation data and stamp of the RecorderÛªs Office), accompanied by a tax assessorÛªs map or other certified map showing the surveyed location of the property relative to local streets and watercoursesAND
-Copy of the effective NFIP map panel on which the property location has been accurately plotted (certified by a registered professional engineer or licensed land surveyor).
-Elevation Form showing the Lowest Adjacent Grade (for a structure) or the Lowest Lot Elevation (for a legally recorded parcel of land)
-Documentation of how the Base Flood Elevation (BFE) for the Subject property was determined. This should include a copy of the effective FIRM showing the Subject property in relation to the flooding source, flood zone designation (AE, AH, or A1-A30), or FIS Profile cross sections; a copy of the FIS Profile with the scaled location of the Subject property (when applicable); a copy of the FIS Summary of Stillwater Elevations Table (when applicable).
-Please include a map scale and North arrow on all maps submitted
Instructions for you to obtain the required FIRM panel, FBFM panel, Property Deed, Subdivision and Plat Map
Deed or Plat - A requester must obtain a recorded deed or plat from the County/Parish Clerk, Recorder, or Register of Deeds for the community.
FIRM or FBFM - The FIRM should be available at the community map repository or from the community official or agency responsible for floodplain management. However, the FIRM index and FIRM panels may be ordered from the FEMA Map Service Center (MSC), for a nominal fee. To place orders from the MSC, interested parties may visit MSC website at http://www.msc.fema.gov /a> and click on the "FEMA Flood Map Store" link. (For some communities, the effective NFIP map may be a Flood Hazard Boundary Map (FHBM), not a FIRM. In such cases, the requestor should obtain and use the FHBM.)WHAT A WASTE OF TIME
I have one we didn't do a boundary survey on, just an EC. What are you guys doing to generate these documents? The Firmette I get, but the plat map/tax map? Anymore, all of this stuff is online (GIS). I'm thinking print screen and annotate? I agree, waste of time...
I'm on hour #3 trying to figure out the eLoma...either I'm not smarter than a 5th grader or... I can't believe it should be this difficult. I see no guidance whatsoever on FEMA's website? If somebody out there has experience with this garbage, please chime in...this is my 1st...and maybe my last...
What are you having issues with?
RE: your first post, if there is a recorded plan (subdivision or otherwise) use that, if not, send the tax map with the deed.
Paul D, post: 352853, member: 323 wrote: What are you having issues with?
RE: your first post, if there is a recorded plan (subdivision or otherwise) use that, if not, send the tax map with the deed.
Tax maps??? Lol, those are the electronic GIS's nowadays. I'm thinking of just screenshotting the property appraiser's info. & call it good along w/the deed. Hell, I can't find instructions on how to do the damn thing. I've searched all over their website with no luck...what am I missing?
https://hazards.fema.gov/femaportal/resources/eLOMA_User_Tutorial_2015_FINAL.pdf&apos ;">eLOMA Tutorial
http://www.floods.org/Files/Conf2013_ppts/D8/D8_Natale.pdf&apos ;">Online LOMC Process
DDSM:beer:
We have that situation in some towns around here as well. Does the GIS have an option to print a portion of the map? That is what I have used in such circumstances.
Additionally, please know that my "What are you having issues with?" question was not flippant, I realize it could come across that way. Genuinely want to help.
Paul D, post: 352858, member: 323 wrote: We have that situation in some towns around here as well. Does the GIS have an option to print a portion of the map? That is what I have used in such circumstances.
Additionally, please know that my "What are you having issues with?" question was not flippant, I realize it could come across that way. Genuinely want to help.
Neither was mine, but when you don't really want to do something, it doesn't help my patience....appreciate the help, thanks!