It is currently 16å¡. I had left my data collector in the Jeep overnight. I brought it in to load an updated file and noticed that when I changed screens the previous text took at least 30 seconds to thaw out and fade away. I may just go out for some reconn and not take my total station after lunch.
I'm into a 16 acre farm parcel and have 11 of 14 deed corner markers, some in excellent agreement with the deeds, others in agreement with adjacent deeds and filed maps. I have 17 markers so far and want 1 more to confirm the filed map to the East. To the West, I met with the neighbor last night and he showed me two of his corners 800' from my PQ, I may actually get one or both from my last traverse point in the middle north of the PQ. Along my line he said the called for tree had fallen over but the stump was still visible. He owns a second lot which had not been surveyed and I explained I would be extending his other line to the neighbor to his South and would be setting a pin. My rough calc has that 17' from a traverse point. My client's jog in the middle of the West lines will drop from 72' to 53' but that is in agreement with the tree line and rock rows.
Along the North I have a different problem I never ran into before. My deed single line is along a 1979 6 lot subdivision. The East 2 lots were then a part of a 1998 10 lot subdivision that went farther East. That is OK but the common lot line was extended, creating a Zorro in my rear lot line, which I explained to the client last night. Now I need 4 more lot corners to nail those lines down tight, I already have the pair of pins at the jog 7' apart but the maps say 6'. This is the really fun part of surveying but maybe not so much fun today.
My data collector feels thawed out and the screens change promptly. Time to get back to work.
Paul in PA
The first survey treatise published for Colonial America was about 320 years ago. John Love published his title Geodasia with the subtitle "the Art of Land Surveying".
When I read this post, I saw clearly that some of these colonial surveys are very interesting in all facets of surveying and truly an "art"
In many ways. So many variables and one has to have a sack load of skills.
I always have had an interest in the Colonial surveys. They seem to very challenging as far as details are concerned.
Good post Paul
Truth be told, I haven't a clue to what the PQ acronym means. Acronyms are getting to be a nuisance to me.
Last week, I actually said the OCD (Office of Community Development) was being OCD about current projects
Robert Hill, post: 357673, member: 378 wrote:
Truth be told, I haven't a clue to what the PQ acronym means. Acronyms are getting to be a nuisance to me.
PQ = property in question
And you're right about the colonial states.....problem is that not everyone knows what they're doing, but it seems Paul is rather diligent
Robert Hill, post: 357673, member: 378 wrote: The first survey treatise published for Colonial America was about 320 years ago. John Love published his title Geodasia with the subtitle "the Art of Land Surveying".
When I read this post, I saw clearly that some of these colonial surveys are very interesting in all facets of surveying and truly an "art"
In many ways. So many variables and one has to have a sack load of skills.
I always have had an interest in the Colonial surveys. They seem to very challenging as far as details are concerned.
Good post PaulTruth be told, I haven't a clue to what the PQ acronym means. Acronyms are getting to be a nuisance to me.
Last week, I actually said the OCD (Office of Community Development) was being OCD about current projects
I am CDO. It is like OCD but in alphabetic order, as it should be.
Robert Hill, sometimes Colonial State surveying CAN be an art. A jigsaw puzzle with pieces missing or that just plain don't fit. I worked with a fellow one time, a GOOD surveyor whom I would to be compared, who said "Sometimes you do the best you can, search as diligently as you can, and still can't get everything to fit. Then you make your decision, put the pin(s) in the ground, and show on your plat what you did. Then let someone prove you wrong." I've done that on a few occasions.
Andy
Andy Bruner, post: 357697, member: 1123 wrote: Robert Hill, sometimes Colonial State surveying CAN be an art. A jigsaw puzzle with pieces missing or that just plain don't fit. I worked with a fellow one time, a GOOD surveyor whom I would to be compared, who said "Sometimes you do the best you can, search as diligently as you can, and still can't get everything to fit. Then you make your decision, put the pin(s) in the ground, and show on your plat what you did. Then let someone prove you wrong." I've done that on a few occasions.
Andy
I had a good colleague who was from Georgia. He was licensed here and there, I believe. He told me it was difficult to boundary survey in GA.
He said the Land Lots system was messed up. I guess poor early surveying , no records etc based on a government land lottery that had fraud and based in the haste of human exploitation.
If you're cold your data collector is cold. Bring it in.
It didn't take much experience working in subzero weather to determine that the electrons most subject to causing errors because of the cold where the ones inside my skull. Few wise decisions occur under such conditions. For the most part the human body is operating on instinct, not intelligence.
Did a couple of hours of recon on Friday, after measuring up the dwelling, basic stone farmhouse with 4 frame additions. Apparently a hand dug well is now underneath the mud room, septic tank about 20' away and about 50' to a 2 seater out outhouse built into the corner of a barn. I came up with 2 called for markers on the parcel to the West and the westernmost corner of he subdivision to the North. I was surprised to see that it was a PK nail in a rock along the Western lot line. At the call for a line pipe on the western lot I dug more than 1/2 foot to find an 1 1/2" pipe with a nail dead center. I refilled the hole and was surprised yesterday to be able to easily dig it back out. I also found the rear pin between the first two lots of the first North subdivision and will get that next trip by setting on the odd pin 1.42' off my PQ corner pin that I will most likely hold. I also found a new pipe near where I was looking for an angle point marker on my East lines. It had no ribbon and I am pretty sure it was not there a week ago as I was digging round in the snow. Snow cover was about 40% and a light amount predicted next week.
Yesterday afternoon I set up a tripod and cone on my last traverse point in the North field, drive 2 miles and up the neighbor's driveway and set up a side traverse point, then 2 miles back to the field. For the first time I can recall I set my instrument temp to 15å¡F. I check my backsight distance and it is 0.09' too long. I am guessing somehow the instrument has the prism offset changed or now think I may even have had it in reflectorless mode with the low power due to cold batteries not enough to get the instrument to complain about the reflected signal strength. In order to check on it latter I saved a D&R to the backsight and did 2D&2R to the new traverse point. I decide not to spend too much more time in the cold and drive around 2 miles to get to my new traverse point which is only 733' feet away. I set up and am 0.09' short of the backsight so whatever it was the instrument is now acting normal. I record a D&R to the backsight and shoot D&R to Pipe, IPIN and PK/Rock in order. I get prismless sideshots to a power pole and 2 garage corners, pack up and say I am done for the day. After a 2 mile drive round to get backsights. After a spicy bowl of chicken/sausage gumbo I download my data and review my raw data and settings. Comparing my corner to corner measures with deed calls I convince myself that it was a missed setting in the filed and I adjust those two shots coordinates, marking my printed raw data with a red pen. I align the adjoining deed with my accepted corner pin and rotate to the pipe with nail. MY PK/Rock is balls on line and I can extend this line at 0.04' off another rear subdivision lot corner to the Northerly pin at the jog. That last unshot pin on that line has to really be off to get me to change my mind on that part of my North line. Holding the deed angle for the neighbor to the West I extend past his first tract corner to intersect with the next neighbor's line 15.7' from my traverse point. On my Friday recon I was clearing briars to get to my corner search or set area and found a white quartzite rock poking out of the snow saying "I just might be a set stone". I hand taped it at 16' so it has a lot of promise. I was surprised at the lack of stones on his farm, less than half the field borders have stone rows and they are rather light in stone. The balance is tree rows only and very little wire, mostly in the ground. I have two prior deeds, 1964 which is in perches and the 1975 deed is in feet but way too many of the dimensions are exactly the same as the perch calls. I originally thought I was in for an easy task because that 1975 deed closed so well but it appears there was a lot of adjusting of degrees and quarters to degrees, minutes and even seconds. I will do some further searching for a call to a set stone, but there is so much in agreement with the neighboring deeds and maps that the neighboring markers and /or bearings can all be held.
At most it is 3 more hours in the field then set 3 corners. The 9 miles to the farm is not a problem but the 22 traffic lights on the way are. Let's see, past 4 strip malls, 3 shopping centers, a warehouse industrial park and the next best alternate route is closed as the road is being rebuilt for another warehouse industrial park.
The fun jobs are fast disappearing.
Paul in PA
