Is it IR found or Rebar found?? Its easier in the data collector to call Rebar an IR, because there is no code for Rebar?
I like my guys to use a generic code for the field to finish symbol and then describe the monument in a field book. It's hard to put: 5/8" capped Jack, Legg & Assoc. rebar found at SW base line fence post, 0.3 above grade in the data collector
Maybe. An iron rod is not necessarily a rebar. Rebars (#3 and above) have deformations for bonding with concrete, an iron rod may be smooth. I am assuming that you note the size of the bar also.
Andy
Good answers so far. Ideally, one should make perfect notes. You can't do that with a couple of key strokes. Your own personal shorthand may work for you but no one else who ever sees that shorthand and must decipher its intent.
Recently found a 60d nail set for a quarter corner monument. It has been there for at least 15 years in a gravel, county road. However, the fellow who found it last May and filed the most recent corner report with the State reported it to be a 3/4" iron bar. He clearly did not want to be obligated to replace the substandard nail with a minimum 1/2" iron bar per minimum standards. Maybe he can claim he accidentally hit the wrong keys on his data collector.
There are the irons that are identifiable and those that are not.
F1/2RB & S1/2RB - size and rebar
F1/2IR - size and iron rod
F5/8IP - size and iron pipe
F5/8GIP - size and galvanized iron pipe
AXLE - auto, farm implement, other
SHAFT - usually round hardened steel
IBAR - solid steel either round, obtuse or other irregular end shape, this one is a default when actual identity is unknown Can get you drilled when you testify and did a few times, they just have to be taught that junk does not appear in the wild set vertically in the ground where boundary monuments should be
Sometimes it is impossible to see any more than the top of what you find without defiling the monument and surrounding what ever. The top of a 60d nail is the same size as a 1/2 inch iron rod or rebar.
Don't be afraid to gauge the find, I've found that a 1/2 inch anything is called smaller by some and larger by others.
Download a copy of DOT standard abbreviations
What details you can't put in the collector, put in a book
60 penny or 40 penny?
How did you know it was a 60d nail? Honestly, I can't tell the dif between 60d and 40d. And measuring the head can be frustrated by the fact they've been...installed!
The difference between the dia. of the head of a 40d and a 60d is a scant 2/32". The real difference is in the shaft length. Something we rarely get to see...unless you get to survey with Kent....(I'm sure he digs them all up and measures them.) 😉
This is one of my biggest pet peeves about data collectors.... limited notes.
I'd like to:
Fd 1/2" rebar .75' N & .35' E to FC FC rns N S N35E S35W Frm Reb 32.8' S to C/L pvmt.
And, then an easy way to add more.
Nate
Interesting comments so far. What's up with software these days? My hp48 with TDS from 1996 has a note function. Enter code for auto linework and it stores point, then hit note and type in detailed description. Pretty simple. All comes out on the printed raw file that goes in the job file as the field notes for the job.
Your coding in your data collector is whatever you make it unless dictated by your client (government agency). Your field notes that should be used in the creation of your plat, should reflect a sufficient description so that the proper size, type and material of the monument can be annotated correctly. Does FIP give you enough information to annotate a Found #5 Iron Pin with JLA cap, or does it mean Found 1" Iron Pipe? I prefer to describe what I found on my sketches instead of in the electronic field book. It all comes down to preference in keeping with the Minimum Standards. My $0.02
Perhaps I am just way behind on the technology (just switched from an SDR33 last summer)but detailed descriptions of monuments, drainage structures, buildings, etc. go in the field book where you can write an essay about it if you want. I would hate to be revisiting a job file and trying to figure out what some code a chief 9 years ago typed in a dc thinking it was obvious. In the dc the descriptions are just IRF, IPF, GBF, CBF, etc.
> Your coding in your data collector is whatever you make it unless dictated by your client (government agency). Your field notes that should be used in the creation of your plat, should reflect a sufficient description so that the proper size, type and material of the monument can be annotated correctly. Does FIP give you enough information to annotate a Found #5 Iron Pin with JLA cap, or does it mean Found 1" Iron Pipe? I prefer to describe what I found on my sketches instead of in the electronic field book. It all comes down to preference in keeping with the Minimum Standards. My $0.02
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Nate,
In Survey Pro you can add a up to a 127 character "note" in Raw Data. Quick Codes are the bees knees too!
Our data collector has word installed and I can toggle between survey software and word to type out my field notes. Best part is not having to interpret poor hand writing or faded out information.
> ...detailed descriptions of monuments, drainage structures, buildings, etc. go in the field book where you can write an essay about it if you want.
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Yes, I know about the note function. Maybe Sometime.
But it should be associated with the point number. At all times.
N
What kind of DC are you running?
N
We are running topcon fc25a it comes with windows mobile. Our old FC2000 also had a word program installed from topcon.
Thanks. I believe that the weakest link in surveying at this time is the Data collector. They all work, but there will always be room for improvement.
N
I concur with all those before who say, you need both a data collector and a field book. The specs in the western states where I have worked call for "exclusively identifiable" for monuments. That means the unique details. Kind, type, size, distinquishing features like bent or caps. You need to make a sketch of witnesses found or set to confirm the prior record and note that. Or remonument or set witnesses. Field book works best for me, but I am sure any cleaver tech could do the same with a spiffy minicad on his handheld, along with pix.
If the software isn't getting the detail needed, solve the issue with a field book, pencil and little triangle and template.
No matter, if all you provide is IR for many various found mons, you are incompetent or ignorant of one of the primary rules of surveying. Make your mon records found or set or just arrested for suspicion, exclusively identifiable.
Yellow book.
I didn't read all the responses, but we always keep track of points etc in the field book. I dunno, guess I'm old??:-S
BTW, I use "FD #5 RB" as a description for a found 5/8' rebar.
-JD-