lmbrls, post: 372786, member: 6823 wrote: What is on an ALTA that should not be on a recorded plat?
Private lending arrangements that can be deduced from the parties in the certification that the owner may not disclosed to, and is no business of, the general public.
I have always viewed the benefit of filing surveys in the public record to be almost exclusively a benefit to later surveyors working with the same tract or other tracts dependent upon some of the monuments reported in the survey. Pretty much the only worthwhile part of an ALTA to someone 10, 20, 50 years later is the boundary info. Everything else has probably changed to some extent, especially the location of utilities.
James Fleming, post: 372816, member: 136 wrote: Private lending arrangements that can be deduced from the parties in the certification that the owner may not disclosed to, and is no business of, the general public.
In all but a very slim percentage of these deals the deed of trust would also get recorded into the public record which would disclose much more detail about the funding arrangements and obligations than anything in the cert on the Survey would.
Would you like a peanut butter sammich, without peanut butter?
James Fleming, post: 372816, member: 136 wrote: Private lending arrangements that can be deduced from the parties in the certification that the owner may not disclosed to, and is no business of, the general public.
The point I was trying to make is that an ALTA generally is not precluded from being recorded, as long as it also meets the recording requirements for that State. I use to ask Clients if they wanted the ALTA or survey recorded and the answer was no about 90% of the time. I am in a non recording State and a very small percentage of new surveys get recorded. I would like to see a requirement that when a survey is used to create the legal description for a deed that the plat must be recorded.
Here is the advice (General Advice) I got from another surveyor, about folks nickle and dime-ing us to death.
After whatever antics, the client does, "I want an alta, with no table A elements"
Or, "I just want a paper work survey, nothing on the ground"
Etc.
General Reply:
"I have looked your project over, and my conclusions are: You need a real survey on the ground, that is retraceable, and solid. No shortcuts. IF I work for you, we will be tying into sufficient corners, so that my survey will be sound, and we will be setting a number of corners, to my standards. Here is about how much money that will take, __________ and here is about how long that will take____________. "
"Here is authorization to proceed __________________ "
"Sign here______________________ Date_________________"
Repeat the above phrase, in all different sequences, until they sign the paper, or leave.
Don't back down.
It is up to us, to maintain our light bills, equipment bills, wife Bills, Children bills, and clients that do not assist us in that, need to go pound sand.
Nate
Brian, post: 372810, member: 11723 wrote: I also do the same thing with the ALTA notes. I have a place for the address, flood zone, parking count (if any), etc...as well as general disclaimers.
Completing that list takes no more than 20 minutes and usually keeps you from getting questions a month later when you've already moved on to other projects.I spent 8+ years surveying in King, Snohomish, and Pierce county and can count on one hand the number of times actual corner monumentation was ever set. The way it was explained to me - the Cased monuments in the intersection ARE what control the ROW lines, which in turn control the plat/lot lines. Anyone surveying the same lot will set up on the same mons to establish the centerlines/ROW lines - no individual lot corners needed.
As far as I know the county never kicked back an ALTA or ROS (SDOT is another matter entirely haha!)
"...no individual lot corners needed. "
That is BS!
Wow! That is one interesting interpretation of what surveying is all about. I appreciate Brian bringing this to our attention. With that approach there would be no need for any interior monuments in PLSSia. Once you have the perimeter section and quarter corners in place everything else is just math. Whoduh thunk it?